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Bob Kingsbury
10-30-2011, 01:09 PM
I'd like to direct this question to someone who might know. The barrel length of 21 3/4 as credited to Jim
Gilmore and followed by Virgil King in the warehouse article. Is that total length with tenon or without. I am ,
not referring to the legal definition, but what Jim meant. Different actions require different tenons and I think its safe
to say that there could be a difference in vibrations.

Cheechako
10-30-2011, 01:18 PM
Bob - Interesting question. Back when the Warehouse article first came out, I, like all the other sheeple started making all my barrels 21.75" long. I measured in the traditional way, from bolt face to crown. Maybe I was doing it wrong? That would certainly account for me not winning my fair share of fake-wood trophies. In fact, now I am positive that's the reason.:)

Ray

Bill Gammon
10-31-2011, 03:13 PM
On my HV I have "ALWAYS" cut my barrels, as measured from bolt face, 24" long. If they did not shoot I went to 23" and if they still did not shoot I went to 22" On about 25 barrels for my heavy I only had to cut down 5 or so. Just my 2 cents worth.

JerrySharrett
10-31-2011, 07:44 PM
Every definition I have ever read about barrel length states that distance is from the bolt face to the end of the barrel tube. The effective length would be to the end of the muzzle bore not to the end of the tube itself in the case of the 11 degree crown for velocity considerations.

It IS interesting to note that ALL the Houston barrels that shot best were 21 3/4" long. Interesting also, I have a Kelbly chambered barrel that came 21 3/4".

The brass prep talked about in the HW series would make a great discussion topic for this Winter. IMO, brass prep is probably third in importance behind barrels and bullets.

JD Mock
11-01-2011, 09:08 AM
Reluctantly, I will put my 2 cents worth into the discussion about the "Houston Warehouse". From talking with Ralph Council, Johnny Jones, Don Geraci, and Frank Wilson (all veterans of the Warehouse), I have concluded that most of the information from there is "horse pucky". Geraci told me that he shot all night and did not shoot a "zero". He was told to "fix" his rifle and try again. After a second night of shooting, he said that he not only did not shoot a zero, but there was not a single zero shot by anyone in those two sessions. Ralph Council owned the magic .22 PPC (w/ Cooper action) that shot .025" groups consistently, but could not keep it shooting. He replaced a broken bolt a couple times, and finally sold it. Johnny Jones owned it for a while, but no longer does.

If I remember correctly, it was stated that accuracy and point of impact did not change when the charge was varied as much as one grain. If you believe that maybe you can believe that 21 3/4 inches is a magic length for all barrels. Good shooting....James

.25shooter
11-01-2011, 12:19 PM
Reluctantly, I will put my 2 cents worth into the discussion about the "Houston Warehouse". From talking with Ralph Council, Johnny Jones, Don Geraci, and Frank Wilson (all veterans of the Warehouse), I have concluded that most of the information from there is "horse pucky". Geraci told me that he shot all night and did not shoot a "zero". He was told to "fix" his rifle and try again. After a second night of shooting, he said that he not only did not shoot a zero, but there was not a single zero shot by anyone in those two sessions. Ralph Council owned the magic .22 PPC (w/ Cooper action) that shot .025" groups consistently, but could not keep it shooting. He replaced a broken bolt a couple times, and finally sold it. Johnny Jones owned it for a while, but no longer does.

If I remember correctly, it was stated that accuracy and point of impact did not change when the charge was varied as much as one grain. If you believe that maybe you can believe that 21 3/4 inches is a magic length for all barrels. Good shooting....James

I dont believe in the myth of the Toot Fairy and I dont believe in the myth of the Huston Warehouse either. Neither do I think that there is any Universal one and only best length of a barrel. Perhaps this myth about the 21 3/4 comes from the fact that LV rifles with long barrels will get nose heavy and somewhere about this magic length accuracy might suffer due to that.

Common sence tells me that if this Huston Warehouse thing was what it is supposed to be, it would have been better documented and prooven at the time when it was supposed to happen. It it was true it would no doubt have been beneficial in a big match and someone would have taken advantage of that. But those zeero agging rifles never showed up at a match. I wonder why.

All we have is one mystical article written in the style of the oracle.

But then again what do I know ?

mike in co
11-01-2011, 04:29 PM
here is what i find strange.......
all these years later.
after published articles

after SIX YEARS OF SHOOTING....

some people claim it did not happen.......

read the article and you will see why the ag's did not show up at matches....

simply amazing....

Cheechako
11-01-2011, 04:40 PM
. . .But those zero agging rifles never showed up at a match. I wonder why. . . .

The same reason all of those Winchester Model 70s, in 30-06, that can hit 9 out of ten golf balls at 1000 yards, never show up at any Benchrest LR matches.

ray

JerrySharrett
11-02-2011, 11:21 AM
Reluctantly, I will put my 2 cents worth into the discussion about the "Houston Warehouse".
Geraci told me that he shot all night and did not shoot a "zero". He was told to "fix" his rifle and try again. After a second night of shooting, he said that he not only did not shoot a zero....James

Tell you what James, I'll bet Geraci didn't bring a gun with a 21 3/4" barrel!!

JD Mock
11-02-2011, 11:40 AM
Jerry, he probably did not shoot that length, but I'll bet that Virgil and several others did. Remember, there was not a single zero shot in two full nights of shooting. Two owners (Ralph Council and Johnny Jones) of the Virgil King .22 PPC were not all that impressed with the rifle. Good shooting...James