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07-14-2011, 01:36 AM
I have taken a pretty good look at your forum board I have not found any stickies that pertain to the very unlearned and unwashed in the lore of accurate rifles. I am such a person. Although I have shot all of my life and I spent 10 years in the Army (in the Artillery and Infantry no less) I know almost nothing about rifles beyond how to adjust the point of strike and which end to poke in the ammunition. I don't hunt with a rifle; I just like to punch holes in paper. I have taught myself the very rudiments of reloading. I own a Remington 700 in .22 - 250 and Winchester Model 70 in .30 - '06. They both shoot OK. They will shoot about a 2.5" group at 100 yards. I know that both rifles will shoot much better than that but I don't know where to begin. Your forum doesn't have a stickie labeled "Bozoos, newbies and other assorted know nothings - start here". I looked. Could I prevail upon you gentlemen and ladies to give me a place to start or a list of things that I should read. I know that a dollar bill should fit between the stock and the barrel. it won't. I know that the trigger pull on both rifles sucks. I don't want to know everything right now. I just need some help on how to begin. I will offer this to all who read this post: I have helped others get started on their quests in the past and I will do so again. Whatever help that you give me I promise to pass along. Thank you Nicholas Jasper

07-14-2011, 01:42 AM
Some books to get you started can be found here, http://www.precisionshooting.com/books.html

I'll recommend the first one, top of page, the last one, bottom of page and Harold Vaughn's 'Rifle Accuracy Facts' somewhere's in the middle.



Charles E
07-14-2011, 07:51 AM
I agree completely with Al that reading books is the fastest way to get an understanding of the whole process. The problem with a forum such as this, for new-to-benchrest, or even somewhat-new-to-precision shooting, is you can't take a checklist approach. Things interact. It's like the "some assembly required" list where No. 6 says "Do this . . ." and No. 7 says "But first . . ."

The other thing worth doing, odd as it may sound, is to go to some matches. What benchrest shooters care about is different from what highpower shooters care about, yet both would be offended if you said they didn't care about accuracy. How come? Because "accuracy" really relates to achieving goals. So, for example, if a benchrest shooter can take .050 inches of his groups, he's celebrating, turning cartwheels, buying ice cream for everyone in sight. Yes, I mean five hundredths of an inch, not half an inch. So, what s/he'll do to get that .050 might seem extreme.

Does a hunter care about .050? No. Highpower shooter? Not likely.

Again, what's accurate depends on what you are trying to achieve, and the measuring scale that's important for that.

Having said that, welcome.

Bob Brushingham
07-14-2011, 08:26 AM
Do a search for Dan Newberry and look at his method of load develepment.

Boyd Allen
07-14-2011, 10:30 AM
You have a PM (private message).

Doug Casner
07-14-2011, 11:04 AM
Ive been on here probably 12 years and the shooters have been answering my dumb questions. Learned alot. I hope my questions arent as dumb as they used to be. Doug

mike in co
07-14-2011, 11:23 AM
there is a factory rifle forum, look there, read...read more.....

scopes or iron sights ??

mike in co

Dennis Sorensen
07-14-2011, 11:42 AM
For your 700 I would recommend having the action glass bedded the barrel floated and the trigger worked to a crisp 2.5 pounds, the scope mounts checked and mounted securely, the barrel thoroughly cleaned and re crowned...

If your 700 is the heavy barrelled model I would not be surprised at all to see it shoot 1/2 inch groups after this work in done.

07-14-2011, 04:25 PM
Dennis is right on the money.
You can take his suggestions and use the terms to look up, search and research the things you need.