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Gary O
06-17-2011, 08:38 AM
You know, there is not a season that goes by that I don't read about a new wonder solvent that will improve the cleaning performance on my rifles. Truth be told, I am still having to spend hours scrubbing with a bronze brush and the solvent of the year to remove that copper. Am I missing some new way or foam or something that can get me done sooner? What say you?

Thomashoward
06-17-2011, 10:45 AM
I know what you mean. My friends always come up with the latest greatest wonder cleaner. My cabinet looks like the evolution of cleaning solvents.
You have two causes of fouling to consider.
Carbon
Copper
I use Hoppe's for the carbon, alternating with Barnes CR10 for the copper, following instructions.
use a good, coated, one piece rod and a guide
The gradient Hawkwye helps me track my progress. No hours of scrubbing required. Let the copper solvent soak for
the recommended time and let the chemical work.I hose the brush with Brake cleaner periodically.
Just my routine. someone may have another system

Centerfire
06-17-2011, 11:01 AM
Have you tried Wipe Out?
Centerfire

SGJennings
06-17-2011, 12:51 PM
I use the Patch Out version of Wipe Out and a brush. Mop the bore, let it sit. Brush it. Patch it out. After that, I'll mop the bore with Patch Out again and let it sit over night and see what comes out on a clean patch the next morning. In my custom barrels, I seldom get anything else out. In factory barrels, it might take some repetition to get it out.

If that doesn't work, put KG-2, JB, ISSO, RemClean, etc. on a patch around a worn out brush and scrub the barrel. Just make *dang* sure you get it all out afterward. Then, resume the Patch Out routine.

j mckinnie
06-18-2011, 06:14 AM
sweets

jackie schmidt
06-18-2011, 01:44 PM
Since it's introduction, I have used nothing but Butches Bore Shine. Seems to get the job done.

I don't worry about what bore scopes say. We don't shoot aggs with squeeky clean barrels, we shoot aggs with fouled barrels........jackie

keithcandler
06-19-2011, 12:32 PM
My cabinet also looks like the evolution of bore solvents....I never give up...never.

I clean my neighbors Savage's and Military rifles...really a challenge.

I had Shooter's choice, Butches, CR-10, Kg-12, Sweet's, and Montana Extreme Copper Killer.

Montana Extreme Copper Killer won hands down, I was letting the solvents set in the barrel for a timed 7 minutes. An added bonus that attracted me to the Montana Extreme products is that they are oil bases...how they do that????

I had one 6.5x55 that had a gold plated barrel. I called Montana Extreme and asked a guy that was a very knowledgable about how to best clean the barrel, he said to use one of their plastic brushes with the Copper Killer. Well, I applied the Copper killer to the brush ever 5 strokes for 15 strokes, let it set for 10 minutes, and repeated the process. On the second application, there was no blue on the patches coming out.

For most factory barrels(other than savage) one application(4 wet patches) of the Montana Extreme Copper killer on loose fitting patches will take out all the copper on a 10 minute soaking.

If you are a soaker, then the regular Montana Extreme solvent left over night will get out all the copper.

GM engine cleaner is really great on powder, but if you use it, be sure to use rubber gloves.

Boyd Allen
06-19-2011, 01:00 PM
Keith,
Thanks for the info.
Boyd

eggman
06-19-2011, 01:26 PM
If copper is your problem try KG-12 . It sound like you don't have much faith in the new wonder bore cleaners but this stuff really works . The only thing I don't like about it is you don't see the blue on a patch to know that copper is being removed but have faith it is removing copper. I bought an old Savage Model 99 that I don't believe had ever had a bore cleaning . It had layers upon layers of 40 year old copper in the bore . Three applications of KG-12 and all the copper was gone . That kinda made me a believer.

Rodney

Pete Wass
06-20-2011, 05:34 PM
HBR rifle for three years on which the barrel would copper the entire length of it all the while I had it. I use to spend a week with Solvents getting a clean patch. The barrel shoots so well; (it still exists) it was worf the work :).

A number of years later I acquire a great friend who has a JB method of cleaning that is second to none. I have been using it for over a year now and it makes relatively short work of making barresl shiny.

Very simple: Parker Hale Jag. Make tight fitting patches, so tight the first pass requires a good bit of energy to get the patch down the barrel. Saturate the patch with JB. Make 10 or a dozen strokes withe this combination. Clean the residuee out. You should be blinded by the light of the Borescope and if you don't have one, not such a big deal.

( each patch can be used a minimum of 4 times with a clean side)

If one lays down 50 or more shots through a .308" barrel, they are going to fuse, or nearly so, Carbon to that bore. If it is a rough bore, copper will be lain down there as well. It then just becomes a matter of how much time and effort one wants to put into getting it out. ( It can't be allowed to accumulate forever, can it?) The Parker Hale, tight patch, JB routing makes reasonably short work of cleaning and what appears to be firecracking sometimes melts away.

Gary O
06-20-2011, 06:04 PM
I bought and used some Wipe Out as suggested and was amazed at the results. I'll never look back...