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skeetlee
06-15-2011, 10:32 AM
I was talking with a fella a few weeks back and he was telling me about a short 6ppc he and his friends were shooting. Of course it was interesting for me as I enjoy ideas like this. I have zero plans of trying this anytime soon but I still can't but wonder just how many folks are shooting such a chambering. For conversation sake only is anyone else shooting this or a similar chambering? What's your thoughts? Any other ideas assosiated with this? Lee

mturner
06-15-2011, 02:13 PM
Better make that .070" short. At .7" short, there wouldn't be much left. It would be much simpler to just go with the 6 Beggs. Gets you out of fire forming.

Michael

TedH
06-15-2011, 02:49 PM
I don't think you would be able to fit more than about 18 grains of powder in a .70 short 6PPC. Wouldn't that cut the case just about in half?
I suppose you would need a pretty fast powder for that. Maybe with Blue Dot you could get about 2000 fps.

JonathanK
06-15-2011, 04:33 PM
Are you sure it wasnt a 22ppc short, seems most go with .100 short but Ive heard of a 22ppc .070 short

mturner
06-15-2011, 05:37 PM
Maybe you're right, but maybe he meant what he said. See attached.

skeetlee
06-15-2011, 09:02 PM
I was typing from my phone at lunch brake so yes i did mean .070 6ppc. Lee

Vern
06-15-2011, 09:05 PM
There used to be a 6br short being toyed with back in 03 or before. I know Paul Dorsey tried talking me into one.

And by the looks of that case it would have to use bullseye to make any velocity...hehehe

jackie schmidt
06-16-2011, 07:15 PM
Lee, I have often toyed with then idea, using 4198 as the basic powder rather than 133. But then, I will score a decent lot of bullets, and acouple of decent barrels, and all is well again.

If you just use a zero freebore reamer with some of the bullets, such the originol Fowklers and Watsons, you almost accomplish the same thing...........jackie

Octopus
06-18-2011, 03:18 AM
Capt. Bob Patterson, gunsmith in Fort Drum FL has been shooting a 6 PPC short for the past month or so. It is only about .025 short.

We only have a 100 yard range at our club. Theory was the short would maybe be better with less powder and barrel burn on the short range. From what I have seen so far i suspect the theory is sound. Very accurate.

Octopus

Mike Bryant
06-18-2011, 11:01 AM
There used to be a 6br short being toyed with back in 03 or before. I know Paul Dorsey tried talking me into one.

And by the looks of that case it would have to use bullseye to make any velocity...hehehe

I shot a 6 BR .100 short back in one of the PPC brass shortage days. It will work, but is a real pain to make the brass as the shoulder has to be moved back with a series of dies. It's not as simple as moving the shoulder back on a .220 Russian case with a shortened .22-250 die or using a plunger to push the case up into a full length .22-250 die. John Bunch made a die that could move shoulders back on just about anything, but it took a lot of steps and more work than I want to do to shoot benchrest.

mturner
06-20-2011, 08:11 PM
By the way guys, I have to confess, those attachments I posted earlier were put there just to play with your minds. Those are not real pictures of shortened PPC's. I just edited online photos with Windows Paint program in about 10 minutes.
Sorry for pulling your leg.

Michael

John MAGOULIAS
06-20-2011, 10:36 PM
Skeet,
Harry Rowold has been shooting a 6mm short for the last couple of years, and is doing rather well with it. If I
remember right, he is shooting a 58 gr. bullet and either VV130 or HOD322 in it. I believe his two grandsons just
finished one - two in the grand 10.5 lb. varmint class at Oak Hills this past weekend and they are youngsters.

Agg'd .208 and .219 respectively at 100 and .241 and .246 respectively at 200.

John

skeetlee
06-22-2011, 06:43 PM
Thanks John for the info. Shoot well this weekend. I hope to see you there. OK most of you know that i think to much but something else just dawned on me. A lot of folks run there ppc's hot. Some real hot. Im talking 30+ grains. Why know go the other direction and blow the case out say .030? Wouldn't that allow you to go up to 31.5gr of n133 or would that just be to much pressure? Like i said above this is all for conversation purposes as i have zero interest in doing either short or tall. Im still learning the standard size ppc. Lee

SGJennings
06-22-2011, 07:11 PM
You need to get QuickLoad and play around with it some.

skeetlee
06-23-2011, 08:49 PM
Is it free? Im cheep!! LOL!!! No it does sound like a great program. Lee