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ExtremeGunCare
04-30-2011, 08:48 PM
Has anyone heard of FrogLube? Has anyone have experience utilizing FrogLube? I got a sample batch of the product and have been testing it.

I was just seeing if anyone on Benchrest had ever heard and or used this product. Please send all feedback about this product. We look forward to your responses.

A quick bio, FrogLube states they (CLP) Clean, Lube and Protect firearms. It is made in USA from Plant Material. Completely safe, no petroleum. It is food grade, biodegradable 25 year shelf life. And a few other attributes, but I don't want to say more because I am not trying to sell the product. I just want to find others whom have used it, how was your experience using the product? Trying not to get flagged here!

We will update this thread about this products performance.

Good Shooting,

Jason Lumetta
ExtremeGunCare

ExtremeGunCare
05-01-2011, 02:27 PM
Test 1: Remington 3200 12 Ga. Over/Under

Goal: Simple clean and lube the action.

History: This is my personal shotgun that I utilize when ATA Register shoots. It is my personal test gun. Top barrel has been treated with Dyna-Bore Coat, bottom barrel has not been. I use this gun to show top barrel with over 1500+ shots, bottom barrel about 100 shots and you cannot tell the difference. Well I decided to clean it before starting the season to show it off again.

Process: I wiped exterior with Alcohol. I took a blow dryer to the barrel to warm up. I applied FrogLube Paste by hand. I took a bronze bore brush and applied to both barrels. Then applied on bore mop and snap caps.

Results: Amazing, easy, confident. Made the lever action super easy. Breaks open and close like the wind! Super awesome and very happy with the results. Simple clean up and the skin on my hands are nice and soft. Currently I have a bad case of Poison Ivy and made it very soothing on the back of my hands.

On to Test 2:

ExtremeGunCare
05-01-2011, 02:29 PM
Test 2: Ruger Mark II .22 Cal. Pistol

Goal: Detail Gun Clean

History: This pistol had been shot 500+ rounds prior to cleaning.

Process: I wiped the exterior with Alcohol. I took a blow dryer to the metal parts to warm up. I applied FrogLube Paste by hand.

Results: I noticed I was being limited by my hands and took Q-Tips to assist in smaller areas. After I was done, I did not feel it was as clean as I feel it should be. So I did my normal routine when I clean guns. I put it in the Ultrasonic Cleaner. Scrub down the metal parts, heated the metal back up and applied FrogLube again. Even though I was not that confident in using FrogLube for the initial detail gun cleaning, I am very confident in the lubrication and protection aspects of FrogLube.

On to Test 3:

Charles E
05-02-2011, 12:18 AM
Now, if you're testing "froglube" for the benefit of us shooters, fine. But if you're selling it, now or later, you're guilty of trying to sneak an advertisement in against Wilbur's policy on BR Central.

May I also point out to to that your tests have little meaning for us? No benchrest shooter would let a firearm go 500 rounds before cleaning. But Ahh, you say. If it will clean after 500 rounds, just think of what it will do with a more reasonable schedule. Frog hocky, I say. If it works on that schedule, it probably works because it is so aggressive, unneeded in a well-maintained firearm. One thing us BENCHREST shooters have learned is that everything's a compromise.

ExtremeGunCare
05-02-2011, 12:37 PM
Hello Charles,

Currently I am not selling the product FrogLube, and I am doing these tests to determine if I care to or not. I also base my opinion on fellow shooters who have used it. I did get some feedback which has been helpful.

You are the first one to participate in this thread. You said my first two tests had little meaning for you. Please suggest a test that would be meaningful for you. My Third Test was going to concentrate on the Protection and Fourth Test on the Lube aspects of FrogLube. The first two tests dealt with the cleaning aspect of FrogLube.

AeroE
05-02-2011, 01:11 PM
I looked at your profiles at your web site. My suggestion is that you attend the next bench rest match at the Benchrest Rifle Club of St. Louis to see how serious benchrest guns are used.

ExtremeGunCare
05-02-2011, 03:42 PM
Hello AeroE,

I would be happy to go, just let me know when and see you there.

AeroE
05-02-2011, 06:04 PM
Hello AeroE,

I would be happy to go, just let me know when and see you there.

I didn't plan to do your leg work, but here are the next three matches:

Hunter rifle & varmint for score - 10 April
Group match, any class 100/200 yards - 16 April
Group match, any class 200/300 yards - 17 April

http://www.shootingstl.com/drupal/sites/default/files/pdf_files/2011%20Match%20Schedule.pdf

http://www.shootingstl.com/drupal/content/location

I don't shoot centerfire benchrest, not yet anyway; Ron Hoehn continually tries to convert me.

ExtremeGunCare
05-02-2011, 06:17 PM
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Goal: To see the protection of FrogLube against water.

History: Four nails from the same box.

Process: Four Nails. First Nail is Study Nail. Second Nail coated with Hoppe’s #9. Third Nail coated with Renaissance Wax. Fourth Nail coated with FrogLube. The nails were placed in a water bin for three hours.

Results: All four nails showed some bloom to rust. FrogLube was the minimalist, one little point. The other three had bloom of rust surrounding the whole nail.

ExtremeGunCare
05-02-2011, 06:24 PM
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ExtremeGunCare
05-02-2011, 06:38 PM
FBecigneul
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Well, now that we have your attention and know of your connection with the Frogs, I have a few questions. How is FrogLube different from Ballistol or is it similar? Ballistol is also a non petroleum based agent that I believe is made in Germany. Where is FrogLube made and packaged? Can it be purchased in gun shops so as to avoid postage on every bottle? Are there quantity discounts so that I might buy a 12 pack and share it at a match? I did go to the website that I posted above and followed it to a dealer in Michigan but don't know his or her address. I didn't call the phone number or send an e-mail. I have no problem with your public information posts. I took this quote from another Thread in Benchrest.

Hello FBecigneul,

I am not familiar with Billistol, so I will not comment about the comparisons. FrogLube is a non petroleum, plant base product. FrogLube is 100% Made, Manufacture and Packaged here in USA. Currently there are a few Distributors, I am contemplating on being one of them. From the Distributors there are many more gun shops that currently stock FrogLube. FrogLube website is continually being updated with information on whom and where to purchase. As far as discounts, I always give discounts to multiple purchases of product. Just something we at EGC thinks brings fair value since we are a distributor for many of the products we carry.

Good Shooting,

Jason Lumetta
ExtremeGunCare (http://www.extremeguncare.com)

Charles E
05-02-2011, 08:06 PM
Well, I checked the schedule on the link provided, and there are some Score matches, Sunday May 22, and June 19, and a group match the weekend of June 25-26.

I'm assuming St. Louis is pretty close to you -- if another range is closer, let us know.

You can find IBS ranges on the IBS site, and NBRA ranges on the NBRSA site. You can find links to both of them on the *HOME* page of BR Central.

ExtremeGunCare
05-02-2011, 08:36 PM
Hi Charles,

I can do the May 22 nd Hunter Rifle Class / Varmint For Score. Would I be able to participate or do I have to be a member of that club? I am a Registered ATA Member, but then I have to be a Missouri Trap Registered Shooter too so I am not sure how Benchrest Shooting/Regulations etc. I'll read up more about it on IBS and NBRA sites.

My Father had won a Howa 22-250 at a National Wild Turkey Federation Banquet in House Springs, MO in April. I just broke it in and have been anxious to snipe it in. I live in St. Peters, MO. I have known about the Bench Rest Rifle Club of St. Louis in Wright City, MO for some time now. We were under the impression it was a private club. One of those Gated Facilities. My Father and I sometimes goes out to Reifschneider Conservation Area. I had already Dyna-Bore Coat the Howa and used FrogLube for the bolt action.

If anyone else goes, let me know. It would be nice to put faces to user names.

Charles E
05-02-2011, 10:13 PM
As far as I know -- and that's pretty far -- a registered match is open to all members of the body that sanctions it. So, for example I'm a member of Rockingham Gun Club in North Carolina. You have to be a member to shoot there. But when we hold a NBRSA event, anyone who is an NBRSA member is welcome to participate in the match.

Best bet would be to call or email one of the match directors at the St. Louis club. You might have to join the NBRSA ($50 or so annual dues) or the IBS ($50 or so annual dues). Check out which organization holds the most matches in your area. Some of us have about equal number of matches, so we wind up joining both.

BTW, there are 1,000 yard and 600 yard IBS matches in Yukon Missouri, which might be more to your liking

http://internationalbenchrest.com/schedule/long_range.php

-- or you may prefer the short-range game.

Here is the link for ranges that schedule IBS matches:

http://internationalbenchrest.com/ranges/usa_by_state.php

Here is one for NBRSA "Mississippi valley region"

http://nbrsa.org/node/193

or you may want the "Mid Continent", a little farther west -- other regions can be found at

http://nbrsa.org/

Try it. You may like it, or may not. Benchrest is a bit different.

Joe Friedrich
05-02-2011, 10:44 PM
Can't speak for BR but I know pistol shooters that swear by it, state it's the best product they have used.

Regards,
Joe

AeroE
05-02-2011, 11:29 PM
Benchrest is open for non members that shoot in the matches. You'll have access to the range where the match is held which will be the 60 bench range for centerfire benchrest matches. We have folks come from all across the country for the big matches, and even surrounding states for the smaller matches. You'll notice a very heavy schedule of matches for almost every type of rifle and pistol shooting.

My offer is still open for a trip to see the club at another time, too. The distance is about 27 miles from my house, and the intersection of H. 79 and I-70 will be similar. Once you see the club, you'll probably shun Reifsnider, just for the reduced odds of getting shot by a jackass if nothing else!

ExtremeGunCare
05-03-2011, 10:20 AM
AeroE
That is so true about Reifsnider. It can get a bit stupid out there. I do not go on weekends anymore.

Joe
Thanks for letting me know. I must say the more I have been testing it the more I have liked it.

Charles
Thanks for all the info. I may just become a member of both IBS and NBRSA. Typically when I hunt these past few years, the farthest I shoot is about 30 Yards. I am deep in some cedar trees lol. But when I had hunt in CO, my average shot was 300+ yards. Harvesting an Elk 675 Yards. We have a critter up there we call a Picket Pin and we will take shots up to 250 Yards. I will be taking my annual trip to see family in CO, May 11-17. I should be able to make the May 22 nd shoot.

SGJennings
05-03-2011, 02:28 PM
http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html

Charles E
05-03-2011, 08:13 PM
To add to something that Charles E said:
A member of NBRSA can also shoot in IBS registered matches but the reciprocal is not true.Francis, that's true, but there is an oddity. In 1,000 yard BR, an NBRSA member can shoot -- but they can't win. And since they can't win, they can't be in the shootoff, which is where winners are determined.

I've argued against that, but I couldn't win, either.

Screwy logic. Far as I'm concerned, the best SOB on the line deserves the win, the only question could be whether or not you let him shoot. But those concerned with the SOY points couldn't bear it to not acquire points in a match, so the practice remains today. I believe the 1,000 yard competition is the only one where all matches are SOY points matches. If that's no longer true, what I mentioned is an oddity of that time, but is still adhered to by most, if not all, clubs.

EDIT:

By the way, at every match I've ever been to, both IBS and NBRSA will let you join at the match.