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Paul Bendix
04-27-2011, 10:54 AM
For people shooting at the Worlds this Summer and have never been to the Palmetto Range. Frank Jarvis sent me these pictures.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/ModelA_2008/RBA_10-1-05_009.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/ModelA_2008/RBA_10-1-05_0071.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/ModelA_2008/RBA_10-1-05_008.jpg
Hope the pictures help.
Paul

Pete Wass
04-27-2011, 12:14 PM
With not much useful room on the benches.

Doug
04-27-2011, 04:58 PM
Pete,
Not sure what “Room on Benches” you are talking about??
Palmetto has probably some of the largest benches in Eastern US.
One of the best features is that a Left handed & Right handed can shoot next to each other and there is room to walk between them! There are very few ranges where that is possible!
That is one of the features that make this a great range for a matche Large or Small!
Not to mention parking for probably 200 cars or RV's almost within spitting distance of the firing line.
Doug

Jefferson
04-27-2011, 06:14 PM
he may mean the benches not only look goofy but to someone used to the traditional style there is not much room at all for the right handed shooter to have anything on the right side, that may have been what he meant, I do not like those style of benches at all
Jefferson

Pete Wass
04-27-2011, 08:15 PM
First of all, I will state that I think the U shaped bench is a bad idea. Second, looking at the picture, there appears to be no bench top, left of the line from behind the front rest to the rear bag. Is that the case, if so, where does one place their Live Rounds if they are shooting a rifle with a left loading port?

There benches appear to have been designed assuming that everyone shot R R or LL rifles and Three, the benches appear to be longer than necessary. I shoot at a couple of ranges that have U shaped bench tops. I have yet to shoot on one that was Shooter Friendly. Just look at where the spotting scope is positioned, for instance.

Pete Wass
04-27-2011, 08:38 PM
Pete,
Not sure what “Room on Benches” you are talking about??
Palmetto has probably some of the largest benches in Eastern US.
One of the best features is that a Left handed & Right handed can shoot next to each other and there is room to walk between them! There are very few ranges where that is possible!
That is one of the features that make this a great range for a matche Large or Small!
Not to mention parking for probably 200 cars or RV's almost within spitting distance of the firing line.
Doug

Isn't this the range that is also designed so that there is no room to use backers? I have yet to see a range where RH and LH shooters couldn't shoot back to back, assuming they both weighed less than 400. Bigger isn't better when it comes to benches. Designing the RIGHT SIZE, user friendly Bench is what matters. There are several good designs out there but these aren't among them, IMHO.

William Smith
04-28-2011, 08:08 AM
Pete, not sure what you mean by "backers"? However, the benches there have plenty of room on them for all your gadgets and required equipment. If you are a right handed shooter there is enough room to put your widescreen TV just to the left of your shooting position. If you are a left handed shooter, just to the right of your shooting position is enough room to put your blender and microwave. The best of both worlds, at it's finest! Thumper

Dick Grosbier
04-28-2011, 10:50 AM
Isn't this the range that is also designed so that there is no room to use backers?

Wrong again Pete.
That was Piedmont in NC and it was not designed intentionally with no room for backers, it was a situation they had after some range reworking which they have since rectified, and rather quickly I might add. They merely were completely honest about it and said they could not hold IBS grand aggregates for one season until they did some additional earth moving.

Dick

Dick Grosbier
04-28-2011, 10:55 AM
I have yet to see a range where RH and LH shooters couldn't shoot back to back, assuming they both weighed less than 400.

Pete,
I really thought I had seen you at Thurmont, Benches 3,4,5 and 7.8.9 at Thurmont have that problem. Thats why I have to go to quite a bit of effort to keep The Left handed shooters together.

I will give you one thing though I do not personally like U shaped benches but if a club has them thats their business.

mjc3834
04-28-2011, 01:07 PM
[QUOTE=Pete Wass;625992] I have yet to see a range where RH and LH shooters couldn't shoot back to back, assuming they both weighed less than 400.

You must not have shot at the old Kettlefoot range. Benches the size of postage stamps and .........well, a pic is worth a thousand words. Don't know if their new range is any better. Haven't been back.

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL420/1520630/2904235/358588393.jpg

glynn angle
04-28-2011, 01:24 PM
I shot at Palmetto some years ago and do not recall any problems with the benches. (Now the Cottonmouths are another story). Just kidding ! It's great that Palmetto is willing to put forth the great effort required to hold an important match such as the WORLD's.

Pete Wass
04-28-2011, 03:01 PM
Wrong again Pete.
That was Piedmont in NC and it was not designed intentionally with no room for backers, it was a situation they had after some range reworking which they have since rectified, and rather quickly I might add. They merely were completely honest about it and said they could not hold IBS grand aggregates for one season until they did some additional earth moving.

Dick

My regrets on relying on my memory, albeit slipping at a rapid rate. The Irish bubbles up too often sometimes. I try not be a prisoner to it but it is always there. At any rate, it was a question, not a statement.

Kent Owens
05-01-2011, 12:54 AM
I've shot at Palmetto also and the benches are plenty big enough. I'm a little guy though, 6' , 205lbs:) Now the wind, that's a another story altogether. I enjoyed shooting there. However, I stayed in the Motel from He$$, and I'd never do that again. Glynn probably remembers it:)

Seems some redneck morons were celebrating their grandpa and grandma's getting married after living together 40 years, or something like that. The police had to clear 4 rooms of 'em 'em out after letting them keep us awake til 4:00 AM.

bill larson
05-01-2011, 09:27 AM
submit a better design....and a plan for paying for them...

Pete Roberson
05-01-2011, 09:43 AM
Every range has it quirks, wind and benches, oh yea then there`s the WIND, but the best part of shooting is if you DON`T LIKE IT, YOU DON`T HAVE TO SHOOT THERE!!!!
To me it`s about the freinds you make and the fun you have with all the challenges, but that`s just me!
Pete

andyd1179
05-01-2011, 10:51 AM
Hya Guys,
I haven't been on here for a while and just seen this thread and the pictures that have been supplied.

I was meant to have been coming to this event but due to ill health, it has meant that I've had to pull of the British squad, on looking at these pictures I have a few questions.

1. I have not seen this type of bench before and being wheelchair bound and not the only person, I wonder if these benches are disabled friendly. what i mean by that is that the height is something for a disabled shooter that has been taken into consideration in past events. for one disabled shooter a platform had to be made to raise them up slightley as the bench was to high for them.

2. I see this back to back shooting, this would not work with a disabled shooter as they would need the space to wheel themselves in.

3. On the photo from the targets, I only count fifteen benches, is this picture just one of the ranges that will be used or is that it for the entire event?

4. Will there be some place to store rifles and equipment for the visiting teams, i think there will be over a hundred international shooters coming to this event and will need a secure place to store the gear at the end of each day.

I know that I'm not coming to this event but this kind of information is important for the International shooters to have and also for any other disabled shooter as there is a few of us around from each country that maybe are coming to this event and need to know that their si facilities for them to user like the benches and obviously toilets.

AndyD

glynn angle
05-01-2011, 05:02 PM
What a night at the Motel. I had evil thoughts. I bet William Poff remembers, as well. We rode to the range together the next morning. Kinda hard to catch quick wind shifts without any sleep. I'm sure our visitors from abroad will be well treated at the Range. All the best, Glynn

ProneShooter
05-01-2011, 09:03 PM
PGC bathrooms are ADA compliant and the benches will work. We also have a larger/lower wooden bench that will be available if needed. The club is currently building additional benches for the match. The match staff, additional storage, and everything else is not being supplied by the Palmetto Gun Club. We will have a clean, mowed, safe place for the shooting. Everything else is out of our control. The benches in question are very solid and to me that is the main question that should be asked. The tops are almost 600 Lbs of concrete with steel rod on block legs that have filled (concrete) cells. I am used to hearing complaints about the wind and mirage but not the benches. FYI the cotton mouths are no longer a problem since the gators ate them.

andyd1179
05-02-2011, 02:42 AM
PGC bathrooms are ADA compliant and the benches will work. We also have a larger/lower wooden bench that will be available if needed. The club is currently building additional benches for the match. The match staff, additional storage, and everything else is not being supplied by the Palmetto Gun Club. We will have a clean, mowed, safe place for the shooting. Everything else is out of our control. The benches in question are very solid and to me that is the main question that should be asked. The tops are almost 600 Lbs of concrete with steel rod on block legs that have filled (concrete) cells. I am used to hearing complaints about the wind and mirage but not the benches. FYI the cotton mouths are no longer a problem since the gators ate them.

Hi Proneshooter,
Are you saying that this is the main range that is being held for the whole event, and will it be back to back shooting as describe by another member of the forum? Also are you saying that there is no storage for shooters equipment and will have to take back to the hotel each day? Who is supplying match staff for the event if the club is not supplying it or is down to the shooters?

AndyD

Bill Collaros
05-02-2011, 05:23 AM
This thread is getting out of hand and a little negative for my liking gentleman, there is a Match Director (Craig Young) organising everything as per WRABF requirements, there will be over 30-40 and 3 relays on additional new concrete benches so no one will be sharing a bench, there will be on site storage for competitors guns, toilets, and vendors selling gear etc etc dont be doomsdayers for an event that the USA should and will be proud to have held.

tuna921
05-02-2011, 06:42 AM
This thread is getting out of hand and a little negative for my liking gentleman, there is a Match Director (Craig Young) organising everything as per WRABF requirements, there will be over 30-40 and 3 relays on additional new concrete benches so no one will be sharing a bench, there will be on site storage for competitors guns, toilets, and vendors selling gear etc etc dont be doomsdayers for an event that the USA should and will be proud to have held.

I shoot ths range all the time and I have found nothing wrong with it....They will have 39 benches ,what I would be concerned about is the invisible wind, big snakes and oh don't forget the bug repellent ( better make it two cans ) . Some suntan lotion and an air conditioner will help also ...It will be 37 to 43 c daily with the heat index....Hope your bring the right ammo .

PS People are asking what the match fee's are anyone know at this point ?

Brian_K
05-02-2011, 07:07 AM
what I would be concerned about is the invisible wind, big snakes and oh don't forget the bug repellent ( better make it two cans ) . Some suntan lotion and an air conditioner will help also ...It will be 37 to 43 c daily with the heat index....Hope your bring the right ammo?

Boy that sounds fun :D

It looks a great range to me, I'm sure everything at the event will be fine and people will come away with many happy memories.

I gather there's already been one cancellation from Abbottabad, maybe the talk of cotton mouths and gators put him off.

Brian

tuna921
05-02-2011, 07:14 AM
Boy that sounds fun :D

It looks a great range to me, I'm sure everything at the event will be fine and people will come away with many happy memories.

I gather there's already been one cancellation from Abbottabad, maybe the talk of cotton mouths and gators put him off.

Brian

Ah..... just ignore them and they will go away.....Charleston is a fun town

Don Stith
05-02-2011, 08:49 AM
Boy that sounds fun :D

It looks a great range to me, I'm sure everything at the event will be fine and people will come away with many happy memories.

I gather there's already been one cancellation from Abbottabad, maybe the talk of cotton mouths and gators put him off.

Brian
I think it had more to do with a Navy Seal than a reptile

Brian_K
05-02-2011, 09:02 AM
I think it had more to do with a Navy Seal than a reptile

Now you’ve made me spill my coffee all over your stock Don ;)

(looking very good by the way)

Brian

Bill Collaros
05-02-2011, 09:20 AM
I shoot ths range all the time and I have found nothing wrong with it....They will have 39 benches ,what I would be concerned about is the invisible wind, big snakes and oh don't forget the bug repellent ( better make it two cans ) . Some suntan lotion and an air conditioner will help also ...It will be 37 to 43 c daily with the heat index....Hope your bring the right ammo .

PS People are asking what the match fee's are anyone know at this point ?

Tuna: Match fees will be advertised soon to the country reps to distribute to their respective team members. There are also rumours flying about this so i will try and alleviate this also, match fees will be per match, not per target and not one fee for the whole world championship. By a match i mean for mexample Heavy 50 meters or Sporter 25 meters etc etc. As we have secured many sponsors i imagine fees will not be too high per match.

Joe Haller
05-04-2011, 09:42 PM
Andy D from Great Britain asked a question about those benches at Pallmetto being wheelchair friendly. The question was not answered.

I also shoot from a wheelchair and want to know if there is room in that horseshoe for a wheelchair. I don't think so. Before going to a match at a club with that type of bench, I would really want to know if I would be able to shoot.

Joe Haller (Mr. Frosty)
Chippewa County Shooting Association
Sault Sainte Marie, Michigan

tuna921
05-04-2011, 09:58 PM
Andy D from Great Britain asked a question about those benches at Pallmetto being wheelchair friendly. The question was not answered.

I also shoot from a wheelchair and want to know if there is room in that horseshoe for a wheelchair. I don't think so. Before going to a match at a club with that type of bench, I would really want to know if I would be able to shoot.

Joe Haller (Mr. Frosty)
Chippewa County Shooting Association
Sault Sainte Marie, Michigan

I would say yes they are a lot wider then the picture shows , If you let us know the room you need we can measure it

andyd1179
05-05-2011, 04:26 AM
I would say yes they are a lot wider then the picture shows , If you let us know the room you need we can measure it

Firstly, thank you Joe for following up my question as there is a number of us out there. This is the only sport in the world that I know of that disabled are at the same level to be able to compete as one with abled bodied members.

Tuna,

The best thing would be is to post the dimensions of the bench. Height, width of the space to enter the bench, these are the important info at is needed for wheelchair users. Every disabled shooter wheelchair height and width is different so there has to be a middle ground that most wheelchair will be able to fit into the bench.

I don't want this to be seen a problematic question but this is a world championship and for those traveling thousands of miles to take part in this event they should have the same acces to the same type of benches. I know that it has been pointed put there is a wooden bench, but we all know that this type of bench will not be the same as concrete one and can lead to poor shooting.

tuna921
05-05-2011, 06:46 AM
Firstly, thank you Joe for following up my question as there is a number of us out there. This is the only sport in the world that I know of that disabled are at the same level to be able to compete as one with abled bodied members.

Tuna,

The best thing would be is to post the dimensions of the bench. Height, width of the space to enter the bench, these are the important info at is needed for wheelchair users. Every disabled shooter wheelchair height and width is different so there has to be a middle ground that most wheelchair will be able to fit into the bench.

I don't want this to be seen a problematic question but this is a world championship and for those traveling thousands of miles to take part in this event they should have the same acces to the same type of benches. I know that it has been pointed put there is a wooden bench, but we all know that this type of bench will not be the same as concrete one and can lead to poor shooting.

I will try to get it in the next week or sooner...I think the wood benches are gone and are now all concrete as of last week .....I know Malcolm the range director is putting a lot of work and effort in to make it just right for you all.

If you haven't made hotels yet and are traveling with your family's I would stay in downtown Charleston as there is a lot to do..... Bring light clothes for the heat it is going to be HOT and plenty to drink at the range. Hats sunscreen and sunglasses..... Ever sat in a sauna ?

Jim

If you need any local information let us know

andyd1179
05-05-2011, 12:50 PM
I will try to get it in the next week or sooner...I think the wood benches are gone and are now all concrete as of last week .....I know Malcolm the range director is putting a lot of work and effort in to make it just right for you all.

If you haven't made hotels yet and are traveling with your family's I would stay in downtown Charleston as there is a lot to do..... Bring light clothes for the heat it is going to be HOT and plenty to drink at the range. Hats sunscreen and sunglasses..... Ever sat in a sauna ?

Jim

If you need any local information let us know

Hya Tuna,
Like I said i won't be attending but I think there is one or two that will be attending that are wheelchair bound and would be good to have the details of the benches, many thanks in advance for you help.

AndyD

Doug
05-05-2011, 04:49 PM
Andy,
I have shot at many State, Regional & National matches over the last 8 years.
I have also had the opportunity to shoot next to some of the great handicap shooters at a lot of ranges and I can unequivocally assure you that they will say that Palmetto is one of the very best in that respect.
To keep it simple if you can arrive by car, plane or boat you will not have a problem.
If anyone has Unusual handicap requirements then they should have them made beforehand.
Any concerns you might have please feel free to email me at any time.
Doug

Bill Collaros
05-06-2011, 08:12 AM
Good positive post Doug. Thank You.

Try as we might the rumours and doomsdayers are getting a bit much, next they will be requesting the WRABF raise the US$.

For the guys busting their butts and putting up their own cash to get this going it is deflating to see narrow minded selfish politics, rumours and gossip trying to spoil what will be a wonderful event.

Sorry if this post is a little harsh but im just about done!

Finnshooter
05-06-2011, 06:19 PM
I have been in contact with the "Palmetto Boys" about other issues than benches and got very positive and helpful responce on all my questions. They surely do all they can to make this event succesful. I think we will meet greater problems with the flight-companyes and travelissues. Maybe because they get paid, who would like a customer?
When looking at the pictures from the range I think the benches seem to be good "bulbholders", thats important to us seamen. And You probably don´t need a four wheel drive when setting out the flags.

Looking forward to "the battle"

Jens L

Peter Armstrong
05-06-2011, 07:38 PM
Andy,
I have shot at many State, Regional & National matches over the last 8 years.
I have also had the opportunity to shoot next to some of the great handicap shooters at a lot of ranges and I can unequivocally assure you that they will say that Palmetto is one of the very best in that respect.
To keep it simple if you can arrive by car, plane or boat you will not have a problem.
If anyone has Unusual handicap requirements then they should have them made beforehand.
Any concerns you might have please feel free to email me at any time.
Doug

Doug,
I can understand what Andy is talking about. I ran the RBA nationals at the Sydney Olympic range for year and it was built as a state of the wheelchair facility but wheelchair shooters are not all the same and bench shape and height requirements are not the same for all of them.

Bill,
Lighten-up I don’t see any doomsday stuff, go back and look at the thread from the last WC and you’ll see people (including you) were asking the same sort of questions and the only reason they ask is because they are interested and the info is not posted anywhere.

Peter

tuna921
05-06-2011, 08:55 PM
The opening in the benches is 24 inches ( 61CM) to the bottom of the top 30 inches (76CM) top is 35 inches (89CM) Hope this helps


Anyone find out what the match fee is ?

Jim

Bill Collaros
05-07-2011, 03:34 AM
Peter you have no idea the pressures, emails and accusations that Craig, Carl & myself get, you also have no idea what time and money we put in to keeping the WRABF going. You have made it clear you dont shoot RBA here in Aus anymore and with that you are also no way involved with the WRBAF or this World Championships so please dont tell me what to do or to lighten up, i will continue to do what i and my committee believe is best and agreed upon by the delgates to the WRABF to help the sport. If that includes telling poeple they are wrong or to pull their heads in so be it.

andyd1179
05-07-2011, 05:27 AM
Firstly thank you to Tuna for getting the measurements of the bench.

As I pointed out in my first reply on this thread that I wasn't coming to this event due to health but I know that there are some other wheelchair people that have been in teams in past events, and my concerns was this type of bench has not been seen in Europe and looked a little bit of tight squeeze or maybe extremely high.

My question was not to cause arguments between people or to put a dampener on this great event, but purely to make sure that these benches were wheelchair friendly for those are in a wheelchair. If I was coming over and had spent a huge amount of money only to find that I couldn't get onto a bench, I would be extremely upset, even though I am sure that members would try to help out as much as possible.

Peter has rightly pointed out that not all wheelchairs are the same because of the reason of the persons disability and the type of chair that they have.

This U-shaped bench for a wheelchair user means that they have no turning point to be 70 degree on the bench or more like on a conventional bench. With my small frame of a body and width of wheelchair at just 24 inches means that I can scrape into the U-shape and would mean I would have no movement to turn onto the rifle like a conventional bench, if someone was larger the wheelchair width would even be more and would mean that they would not fit into U-shape.

Nearly all shooters would bring their own drum stools to sit on so that they could get themselves to the right height, this is not a privilege that someone in a wheelchair has they are at a fix height and have to make do with what height the range has in benches.

I know that the club has made a lot of effort in making their range ready for this event and spent a lot of money to accommodate this event, but the disabled part has been overlooked which is not a dig at the club or the committee that is managing this event.

I love this sport because disabled shooters are on the same par with able bodied people and is one of the reason why I got into this sport. It's the only sport that I know of that disabled don't have to have there own games or matches, they are treated as equals.

There is a system in place with the federation being the WRABF that says if you have any questions for the AGM to be held after this event to put them through their Rep. I think that it's clear from this thread that there has to be a standard type of bench used for this kind of event and even if it was a European one. I hope that the type of bench used in future events is brought up in the AGM,
I have spent my time when I have come across a wheelchair user to promote this sport to them for the reason that I've mention above.

I for one don't want special treatment when it comes to shooting or a handicap given to me because I'm in a wheelchair, from photos of other ranges in the States I've seen has been normal type benches were you sit on the left or the right of it, sat in the middle is very different and has to be thought out if you are going to be seen as a disabled friendly club or range.

I am sorry that this has cause so much argument which was not my intention by any means, it was purely to clarify the bench accessibility.

I hope that this event is a great success and will be watching from home as the news comes through on how everyone is doing and wish everyone well and a safe journey to and from the event.

AndyD

tuna921
05-07-2011, 06:04 AM
Firstly thank you to Tuna for getting the measurements of the bench.

As I pointed out in my first reply on this thread that I wasn't coming to this event due to health but I know that there are some other wheelchair people that have been in teams in past events, and my concerns was this type of bench has not been seen in Europe and looked a little bit of tight squeeze or maybe extremely high.

My question was not to cause arguments between people or to put a dampener on this great event, but purely to make sure that these benches were wheelchair friendly for those are in a wheelchair. If I was coming over and had spent a huge amount of money only to find that I couldn't get onto a bench, I would be extremely upset, even though I am sure that members would try to help out as much as possible.

Peter has rightly pointed out that not all wheelchairs are the same because of the reason of the persons disability and the type of chair that they have.

This U-shaped bench for a wheelchair user means that they have no turning point to be 70 degree on the bench or more like on a conventional bench. With my small frame of a body and width of wheelchair at just 24 inches means that I can scrape into the U-shape and would mean I would have no movement to turn onto the rifle like a conventional bench, if someone was larger the wheelchair width would even be more and would mean that they would not fit into U-shape.

Nearly all shooters would bring their own drum stools to sit on so that they could get themselves to the right height, this is not a privilege that someone in a wheelchair has they are at a fix height and have to make do with what height the range has in benches.

I know that the club has made a lot of effort in making their range ready for this event and spent a lot of money to accommodate this event, but the disabled part has been overlooked which is not a dig at the club or the committee that is managing this event.

I love this sport because disabled shooters are on the same par with able bodied people and is one of the reason why I got into this sport. It's the only sport that I know of that disabled don't have to have there own games or matches, they are treated as equals.

There is a system in place with the federation being the WRABF that says if you have any questions for the AGM to be held after this event to put them through their Rep. I think that it's clear from this thread that there has to be a standard type of bench used for this kind of event and even if it was a European one. I hope that the type of bench used in future events is brought up in the AGM,
I have spent my time when I have come across a wheelchair user to promote this sport to them for the reason that I've mention above.

I for one don't want special treatment when it comes to shooting or a handicap given to me because I'm in a wheelchair, from photos of other ranges in the States I've seen has been normal type benches were you sit on the left or the right of it, sat in the middle is very different and has to be thought out if you are going to be seen as a disabled friendly club or range.

I am sorry that this has cause so much argument which was not my intention by any means, it was purely to clarify the bench accessibility.

I hope that this event is a great success and will be watching from home as the news comes through on how everyone is doing and wish everyone well and a safe journey to and from the event.

AndyD

Andy

There is no reason to sit in the middle if you choose not too , there is ample room on both sides between benches....As for the height I am sure range will be more then accommodating. I don't think anyone will be disappointed. As for a lack of information about this range I can't help you there but I have received tons of emails and messages trying to help out.

andyd1179
05-07-2011, 06:27 AM
Hya Tuna,

Please, please don't take this as a negative thing over me asking about the benches, as I've explained this is very different to what we have used at other international events and for someone in a wheelchair they are going to have concerns when something is different from what they are use to. Having seeing posted pictures you can only go by what you see and with not being sure who or were to ask about things like this has been difficult and the forum has been the only place as it was brought up with this thread.
With people saying that they are normally used for back to back shooting has only inflamed the situation and with clarification all should be happy.
The fact that you are now saying that it's possible to use the outside edge of the bench again helps and will put any wheelchair users mind at rest.

Thank you for taking the time to find out the information and clearing up questions that I've asked and I do hope that this will be the end of it and this event will be a great one for all to enjoy.

AndyD

Peter Armstrong
05-07-2011, 08:11 PM
Andy,

Why don’t you sit down and workout exactly what info disabled shooters need to know when they go to a new range, bench heights and shape etc and pass it onto Carl and try and have it put in the rulebook for future internationals.

Peter

Bill Collaros
05-07-2011, 08:15 PM
Correct advise Peter, but Andy your UK reps are Col Renwick and John Farell i believe.

Wolf
05-09-2011, 04:09 PM
does the range still face east? If so it makes for interesting early shooting. there was talk of relocating to someplace a few miles south where it would face north as it should

Douglas
05-10-2011, 08:01 AM
I don't know about Palmento, but my old club shot the east, and it is challenging to say the least. We had to staple up big pieces of cardboard to the roof header so it hung down low enough to shade your scope. Thanks, Douglas

ProneShooter
05-10-2011, 09:41 PM
Yes, it still faces East. The winter sun is much worse than the declination angle experienced in July. Road from Highway 61 is now paved so travel is better and not as muddy/dusty. The mirage and wind can be quite a challenge. The range is located on the sea-breeze front so major direction changes occur when the land mass heats enough to generate the onshore flow from the cooler (somewhat) ocean.

Bill Collaros
05-10-2011, 11:25 PM
Yes, it still faces East. The winter sun is much worse than the declination angle experienced in July. Road from Highway 61 is now paved so travel is better and not as muddy/dusty. The mirage and wind can be quite a challenge. The range is located on the sea-breeze front so major direction changes occur when the land mass heats enough to generate the onshore flow from the cooler (somewhat) ocean.

Wind, Ocean Breeze, Heat Mirage, sounds like my home Range at Woollahra in Sydney let's hope so.

CYoung
05-11-2011, 08:42 AM
Proneshooter, would you give me a call, Craig