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Tim Boettcher
04-09-2011, 10:54 AM
Hey guys!

Just a quick thought for you guys...

What if you could have a heads up display image from your scope......

I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on this!

Tim Boettcher

mikecr
04-09-2011, 10:59 AM
Resolution?

Tim Boettcher
04-09-2011, 11:05 AM
640x980, but other options as well.....

I mean, think about it.......... totally taking the eye to ocular lens alignment out of the equation.....

caroby
04-09-2011, 11:50 AM
640x980, but other options as well.....

I mean, think about it.......... totally taking the eye to ocular lens alignment out of the equation.....

VERY interesting...! This is one of my big failings............ Head outta butt condition reading too..............................:rolleyes::o

Roger T
04-09-2011, 11:55 AM
WARNING SA comment .Does it come with HD/3D, Blue Ray, Dolby 7.0 or better ? a 64" flat panel would be great also. SERIOUSLY tho how much technology SHOULD we use to remove the human in these (shooting) sports. Now don't get me wrong I wear glasses and I'm going in for a scrip change in 2 weeks , I just think it's TOO much Tech.

Boyd Allen
04-09-2011, 11:57 AM
Do you compete? The reason that I ask is that see no real problem with using the scope to aim as we do now. Also, shooting "heads up" is an established variant of free recoil, that is easily accomplished with currently available equipment. I guess what I am asking is have you used such a system and demonstrated a competitive advantage?

Tim Boettcher
04-09-2011, 12:02 PM
WARNING SA comment - Thats what they said about the first scope too! ;-)

What I have come up with just integrates current technology with our sport, not really changing, but making things much easier (with benefits too). Check out my website for a little teaser and be sure to sign the guestbook! www.boettchertechnologies.com

Tim

Tim Boettcher
04-09-2011, 12:08 PM
Do you compete? The reason that I ask is that see no real problem with using the scope to aim as we do now. Also, shooting "heads up" is an established variant of free recoil, that is easily accomplished with currently available equipment. I guess what I am asking is have you used such a system and demonstrated a competitive advantage?

Hello Boyd!

I am in the final testing phase now with the 3rd prototype. I have never shot it in competition, but looking forward to. The testing so far has been very surprising as far as multiple target acquisition with fixed magnification and near dark conditions. Very fast acquisition's with constant clarity :-)

Tim

kkuperman
04-09-2011, 12:44 PM
How much weight does it add to the gun?
Kenny

Tim Boettcher
04-09-2011, 01:31 PM
How much weight does it add to the gun?
Kenny

The devices are from 3.5 ounces to 4.7 ounces.... The mounting mechanism has not been weighed yet, but is made of Aluminum. I have been trying to reduce weight and still keep the rigidity and stabilization properties, somewhat difficult to do, but think I have come up with the answer. The System will incorporate the rings and mounting capabilities all in one, whereas the Mount is only a mount.

I will try to weigh the parts this evening.

Thanks!

Tim

zippy06
04-09-2011, 07:00 PM
HUD for what info?
Just open both eyes.:rolleyes:

Bob Kingsbury
04-09-2011, 07:26 PM
Wouldn't it be simpler just to attach a cam to each wind flag, and wire the info back to your Blackberry or Ipod at the bench. Now
you would still have to determine which flag is fibbing, but that should be a snap. Better still, just change the rules so we can all
shoot lasers. Remember that we must use at least a 23 cal laser in sporter class. Further refinements might be that we could stay home
and do this in our living room, just phone in your group size before 5 pm. This would make a great Super Shoot.

P1ZombieKiller
04-09-2011, 07:38 PM
Wouldn't it be simpler just to attach a cam to each wind flag, and wire the info back to your Blackberry or Ipod at the bench. Now
you would still have to determine which flag is fibbing, but that should be a snap. Better still, just change the rules so we can all
shoot lasers. Remember that we must use at least a 23 cal laser in sporter class. Further refinements might be that we could stay home
and do this in our living room, just phone in your group size before 5 pm. This would make a great Super Shoot.

So could we email "I had a small zero till that last shot"?

radar tech
04-10-2011, 12:21 AM
'Heads Up' gyro stabilized reticle worked great on the F4D Phantom for the 20mm Gatling. System was a bit heavy though. lol

Bob Kingsbury
04-10-2011, 03:46 PM
'Heads Up' gyro stabilized reticle worked great on the F4D Phantom for the 20mm Gatling. System was a bit heavy though. lol
Ya, I spent 4 yrs maintaining the system in F8E crusaders. It was neat, but the system wont fit on my shooting bench.

Tim Boettcher
04-10-2011, 04:24 PM
Ya, I spent 4 yrs maintaining the system in F8E crusaders. It was neat, but the system wont fit on my shooting bench.

It is much smaller than you think, and the device required is as well.

Tim Boettcher
04-10-2011, 04:48 PM
The devices are from 3.5 ounces to 4.7 ounces.... The mounting mechanism has not been weighed yet, but is made of Aluminum. I have been trying to reduce weight and still keep the rigidity and stabilization properties, somewhat difficult to do, but think I have come up with the answer. The System will incorporate the rings and mounting capabilities all in one, whereas the Mount is only a mount.

I will try to weigh the parts this evening.

Thanks!

Tim

The mount weighs 10 ounces as of now, and like I said, the devices weigh from 3.5 to 4.7 ounces....

Chisolm
04-10-2011, 05:23 PM
Looks to me like you are trying to sell a pig in a poke.


James

Tim Boettcher
04-10-2011, 05:32 PM
Looks to me like you are trying to sell a pig in a poke.


James

WOW thats a new one for me! Why do you say that?

LHSmith
04-10-2011, 06:31 PM
Looks to me like you are trying to sell a pig in a poke.


James

Pig in a Poke is the game show Clark and Ellen Griswald won their " European Vacation " on.........but I digress......sorry.

Jerry H
04-10-2011, 07:35 PM
A simple USB computer camera plugged in to a netbook would do it for you. The small ones are real cheap and you can make a delrin eye piece adapter to hold it on the back of the scope. I think I paid about $10 for the last one I bought.

TedH
04-10-2011, 07:50 PM
Fast target acquisition isn't a part of this game.
However I already have a heads up display for my weapon. Its called an EOTECH.

LHSmith
04-10-2011, 08:00 PM
This idea is too much akin to that "virtual hunting" concept, where you control an actual firearm by remote control from your own living room and can actually harvest game across the continent. If BR competition is going the way of lasers and mini-monitors, well then count me out. How about inventing a target material that one could measure bullet holes more precisely instead.

TedH
04-10-2011, 08:57 PM
This idea is too much akin to that "virtual hunting" concept, where you control an actual firearm by remote control from your own living room and can actually harvest game across the continent. If BR competition is going the way of lasers and mini-monitors, well then count me out. How about inventing a target material that one could measure bullet holes more precisely instead.

Yeah!!! Thats right. We need precision target materials.

LHSmith
04-10-2011, 09:06 PM
This idea is too much akin to that "virtual hunting" concept, where you control an actual firearm by remote control from your own living room and can actually harvest game across the continent. If BR competition is going the way of lasers and mini-monitors, well then count me out. How about inventing a target material that one could measure bullet holes more precisely instead.

I am NOT the guy from the past who advocated Formica be used.

Tim Boettcher
04-10-2011, 09:46 PM
Well, I am a bit surprised at some of the responses, that is for sure. I would like to make a few points before proceeding any further.

Firstly, my target audience is not Benchrest shooters, I was just testing the waters here since I enjoy the forum so much. However, my creation can and will make rifle shooting more enjoyable and easier.

Secondly, I cannot 100% reveal my idea until the patent paperwork is finalized, so a lot of the far fetched ideas (the members idea of what it is) are taking the thread in a bad direction. My idea is quite simple in theory, and I ask that you not read too much into the concept.

Thank you all for your input, and welcome any questions!

Tim

Butch Lambert
04-10-2011, 11:56 PM
TedH,
Quick target acquisition is important to me if I'm trying to shoot a wind condition before it changes. If it is legal and you can make weight, why not?
Butch

frwillia
04-11-2011, 06:30 AM
Well, I am a bit surprised at some of the responses, that is for sure.

There is a saying common in engineering: "You can tell the pioneers, they are the ones facedown on the ground with arrows in their backs." Proposing something new and different, always, with out fail, will evoke responses from encouragement to total rejection and redicule. It's just how it is, and here is clearly no exception.

There are new computerized laser rangefinding scopes on the market now. I haven't purchased one because they aren't yet enough of an improvement on a bullet drop reticle, but they will get better and better, the price will come down, and the day may come that they are more common than conventional scopes on long range rifles used to shoot where distances are not known with precision in advance. There are scopes with a camera in them that displays on a monitor in the eyepiece which would seem to take the eye alignment out of the process while retaining the benefits of magnification. The Holographic scopes do this too, but with no magnification.

I don't think I need a heads up display for ground hog or deer hunting, but I'll be interested to see pictures of your setup and read reviews on it. I might find it useful, especially if it gives me a bigger image to aid my aging eyes. Who knows?

Good luck with this gadget.

Fitch

Bill Wynne
04-11-2011, 06:49 AM
This might be just the thing for standing off hand shooting.

I shoot 22 silhoutte also and I have this idea that I could hold the riffle much steadier at my side against my hip. If it worked, we might have a rule fight.

Bill

frwillia
04-11-2011, 08:54 AM
Hello Boyd!

I am in the final testing phase now with the 3rd prototype. I have never shot it in competition, but looking forward to. The testing so far has been very surprising as far as multiple target acquisition with fixed magnification and near dark conditions. Very fast acquisition's with constant clarity :-)

Tim

That "thwak!" you just heard was me slapping my forehead (probably why it is bereft of cranial foliage).

A heads up display that allowed one to have the weapon, a 12ga for example, at the hip and aim it would be a huge advantage in a HD situation, or for LEO's doing an entry to suspected hostile territory. If it worked like a true heads up display, one could have both eyes open looking around and still see the display so it could be used for aiming the hip held assault weapon. That would be a huge tactical advantage. Ideally it would enable a broad field of view to prevent mistaken identity shootings of innocents and earlier perception of hostiles, shorter response time, and improved accuracy - what's not to like?

Am I getting close?

Fitch

chino69
04-11-2011, 10:10 AM
Fast target acquisition isn't a part of this game.
However I already have a heads up display for my weapon. Its called an EOTECH.

Ted,
How do you like yours?

Tim Boettcher
04-11-2011, 12:28 PM
Fast target acquisition isn't a part of this game.
However I already have a heads up display for my weapon. Its called an EOTECH.

The EOTech Holosight can't record or zoom in, among a few other things... ;-)

Tim Boettcher
04-11-2011, 12:56 PM
There is a saying common in engineering: "You can tell the pioneers, they are the ones facedown on the ground with arrows in their backs." Proposing something new and different, always, with out fail, will evoke responses from encouragement to total rejection and redicule. It's just how it is, and here is clearly no exception.

There are new computerized laser rangefinding scopes on the market now. I haven't purchased one because they aren't yet enough of an improvement on a bullet drop reticle, but they will get better and better, the price will come down, and the day may come that they are more common than conventional scopes on long range rifles used to shoot where distances are not known with precision in advance. There are scopes with a camera in them that displays on a monitor in the eyepiece which would seem to take the eye alignment out of the process while retaining the benefits of magnification. The Holographic scopes do this too, but with no magnification.

I don't think I need a heads up display for ground hog or deer hunting, but I'll be interested to see pictures of your setup and read reviews on it. I might find it useful, especially if it gives me a bigger image to aid my aging eyes. Who knows?

Good luck with this gadget.

Fitch

Thanks Fitch! I have never heard that quote before, but sure makes sense!

I am totally prepared for any and all comments and suggestions, but its kind of hard to put credibility in some of them when I can't show them what we are discussing hahaha...., completely my error. I have always believed that the best place to learn something ins next to someone who has the knowledge and can show you. I have learned most of my rifle shooting skills from older gentleman, and my pistol-smith teacher was an elderly gentleman as well, old school is where its at! I guess at my age (42) I have the unique opportunity to have the best of both worlds when it comes to "old school" and technology, and integrating it within the world of shooting. I consider it a privilege to have learned from them, whether it be shooting at 400 yards or fitting a match barrel in a 1911. I have learned that you cant have just one or the other to be innovative, you need to have an open mind and think out of the box!

chino69
04-11-2011, 01:16 PM
The EOTech Holosight can't record or zoom in, among a few other things... ;-)

Tim,
I have one on a H&K 93. I was curious to see how other people like theirs. It is strictly a quick aquisition sight and I like the idea that you don't have to be positioned directly behind it to put bullets on target. The sight does what it was designed to do very well.

Tim Boettcher
04-11-2011, 01:19 PM
Tim,
I have one on a H&K 93. I was curious to see how other people like theirs. It is strictly a quick aquisition sight and I like the idea that you don't have to be positioned directly behind it to put bullets on target. The sight does what it was designed to do very well.

Understood, I have one as well and like it very much! I have the older version with the larger screen and interchangeable reticles, but the old ones eat batteries like crazy!

Asa Yam
04-11-2011, 01:34 PM
That "thwak!" you just heard was me slapping my forehead (probably why it is bereft of cranial foliage).

A heads up display that allowed one to have the weapon, a 12ga for example, at the hip and aim it would be a huge advantage in a HD situation, or for LEO's doing an entry to suspected hostile territory. If it worked like a true heads up display, one could have both eyes open looking around and still see the display so it could be used for aiming the hip held assault weapon. That would be a huge tactical advantage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Warrior#Weapon

Tim Boettcher
04-11-2011, 01:39 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Warrior#Weapon

WOW, that think looks like a clusterpuk LOL

FYI no wires on mine lol

HovisKM
04-11-2011, 01:46 PM
Tim,

I guess I don't exactly understand what your wanting to accomplish but inovation in optics is always a good thing. It will probably happen after I'm gone but lenes and mechanical mechanisims in scopes will be a thing in the past. The military already has optical sighting sytstems thats completely electro-optical, no moving parts. I believe thats where BR needs to go also. Remove POA/POI problems, add adjustable image for clarity and aquisition and eliminating mirage and light refraction issues.

Hovis

Hovis

Centerfire
04-11-2011, 04:08 PM
Just tell me when to jerk. :)
Centerfire

TedH
04-11-2011, 11:34 PM
Ted,
How do you like yours?

It works fine for anything under 100 yards but actually the M-68 Aimpoint is more accurate. In fact I can shoot better with the M-68 at any distance than I can the iron sites. The M-68 is my site of choice but the EOTECH might be just a little bit faster .... possibly.

Papanoon
04-12-2011, 03:34 AM
I still haven't gotten over not having an internal gun in my F4J. What were we thinking? A gun pod just didn't hack it.

JerrySharrett
04-12-2011, 06:40 AM
Centerfire group benchrest has had a few one-eyed shooters, most notable, Jef Fowler, Dennis Tinkam, less notable, me.

Now, if this device's receptor would get the image from the scope back lens and display it on a monitor that would allow a CRT/LCD/whatever, sitting just below the heads up view of the flag field. This would allow the shooter to shoot truly heads up.

The attached part should be less than 5 oz, we can spare that much weight off a LV (10.5#) rifle.

When this is available to the above specs I'll take 5.

Tim Boettcher
04-12-2011, 09:02 AM
Centerfire group benchrest has had a few one-eyed shooters, most notable, Jef Fowler, Dennis Tinkam, less notable, me.

Now, if this device's receptor would get the image from the scope back lens and display it on a monitor that would allow a CRT/LCD/whatever, sitting just below the heads up view of the flag field. This would allow the shooter to shoot truly heads up.

The attached part should be less than 5 oz, we can spare that much weight off a LV (10.5#) rifle.

When this is available to the above specs I'll take 5.

The image is taken from the ocular lens of the scope

chino69
04-12-2011, 09:14 AM
It works fine for anything under 100 yards but actually the M-68 Aimpoint is more accurate. In fact I can shoot better with the M-68 at any distance than I can the iron sites. The M-68 is my site of choice but the EOTECH might be just a little bit faster .... possibly.

Ted,
That's pretty much the same observation I've had using mine. I actually have a Sightron electronic sight on an AR that is only good to 100 yds. but that's all I need for those rifles.

Tim Boettcher
06-06-2011, 05:36 PM
The video of photographs is up on my sight if you want to check it out. There is also a video directly below the opening video of a shooting session a couple weeks ago. Check it out and let me known what you think!! www.boettchertechnologies.com

Thanks!

caroby
06-07-2011, 10:20 AM
Centerfire group benchrest has had a few one-eyed shooters, most notable, Jef Fowler, Dennis Tinkam, less notable, me.

Now, if this device's receptor would get the image from the scope back lens and display it on a monitor that would allow a CRT/LCD/whatever, sitting just below the heads up view of the flag field. This would allow the shooter to shoot truly heads up.

The attached part should be less than 5 oz, we can spare that much weight off a LV (10.5#) rifle.

When this is available to the above specs I'll take 5.

As I said in an earlier post on this thread..........INTERESTING...!

"Smart Phone" as an interface (monitor) USB2 connection...?... Just a thought.

cale

Vibe
06-07-2011, 11:52 AM
Interesting concept. In benchrest, particularly long range shooting, I'd see more of a need for a HUD of sorts, inside the scope - displaying computer outputs (wind deflection calculations, mirage corrections, etc) in the scopes field of view.