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Dave Coots
11-26-2010, 09:22 AM
How To Remove A Stuck Live Round In A Chamber
-- Robert Coles

This is a solution I found while figuring out how to remove a stuck live round in a chamber (I was able to open the bolt):

Regarding a Browning BAR 30.06 with a stuck live round in the chamber. A recap of when the customer brought the rifle in; after firing a round (factory ammo) he tried to chamber a hand load of unknown specs. ( 30.06 case). The bolt would not close into battery and after repeated slamming of the bolt to try and chamber the round he brought it to me to extract. A call to several long served local gunsmiths proved to be unsuccessful on finding a shop that had any helpful advice, then a call to Browning arms service techs also turned out to be of no help (can’t ship a loaded gun) and they would not sell any detailed strip down manuals (barrel removal, pressed fit, pinned, threaded). Other advice from AGA ( American gunsmith association) referred to killing the primer and powder in a K1 Kerosene bath however that still left me with an uneasy feeling if I tried to “push out the live round”. After talking to Federal Primers about primers and gunpowder reacting to “friction” from trying to drive out the round I decided to look into a chemical solution to dissolve brass or slightly reduce the O.D. of the case, ferric chloride leaves sediment during the etching process needing flushing and I didn’t know what the reaction would be if any seeped into the case mixing with the powder and primer, and it might slightly etch the bore!

Then I remembered what was said about Hoppes eating your brass brush and jags after cleaning out the bore so I filled the barrel half full with #9 Hoppes and with the bolt locked open I placed a rag at the base of the cartridge in the action to soak up any seeping liquid. Note: prior to the #9 Hoppes I had filled the bore half full with Kroil penetrate to attempt to loosen things up, then empting out the bore before filling with Hoppes. One day later after the #9 Hoppes flooding when inspecting the rifle the bolt still would not lock up and with a rag loosely in the action I wacked the buttstock on the floor…..the round popped out of the chamber and had been eaten just enough by the Hoppes to release the grip of being stuck. I was lucky to be able and remove the round this way and have inspected the rifle for safe firing, after a through cleaning of the bore this touchy job will be over.



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Dennis Sorensen
11-26-2010, 09:45 AM
This is weird...

I use Hoppes #9 and a bronze/brass jag or brush because it does not damage the brass... ?

I have not experienced Hoppes #9 'eating' brass at all...

Am I alone on this?

JohnVm
11-26-2010, 09:58 AM
I to thought Hoppes was a good powder solvent but did little to copper or bronze.

LHSmith
11-26-2010, 10:08 AM
It was the Kroil that loosened things up....bad assumption on Mr. Coles part. Ain't no ammonia in #9, never found it to do anything to copper, or carbon.

JerrySharrett
11-28-2010, 07:43 AM
If you have a barrel that has some rounds on it and coppers during an agg. Get some Hoppes #9 Benchrest Copper Solvent and use it in an overnight soak after your regular copper removal regimen for that barrel. The Hoppes #9 Benchrest Copper Solvent will get some more copper out.

The old Hoppes #9 that was called Nitro Powder Solvent would do the same. Thanks to our wonderful EPA looking out for our best interests for making the good stuff that works go away.

karls42
11-28-2010, 08:20 PM
If Hoppes can't remove copper why do the patches come out blue? why do brushes turn blue??

david dumas
11-29-2010, 12:34 PM
what did you do to prevent hoppes from getting in the gas port assembley??

the wind is my friend,,,,,,,,

DD

chino69
11-30-2010, 11:19 AM
The only problem with the old Hoppe's #9 Nitro Solvent is that is was classified as a carcinogen.

JerrySharrett
11-30-2010, 12:19 PM
The only problem with the old Hoppe's #9 Nitro Solvent is that is was classified as a carcinogen.

So is everything else in Kalifornia..

Now I notice water has an exparation date. What will we drink when it expires and the beer post has been deleted??

Boyd Allen
11-30-2010, 01:12 PM
I believe that the old Hoppe's contained nitrobenzine. The following is from the MSDS for this former ingredient.

Potential Health Effects
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This material is so dangerous that personnel handling it should be trained to recognize the symptoms of methemoglobinemia.

Inhalation:
May be absorbed through inhalation of vapors. Symptoms parallel those following ingestion exposure.
Ingestion:
May cause headache, shallow respiration, dizziness, vomiting, weakness, and blood pressure fall. Forms methemoglobin in the blood, reducing oxygen transport and producing cyanosis, and anemia. Convulsions, coma and death may follow. Symptoms may be delayed from 1 to 4 hours, and workers developing fatal cases of methemoglobinemia may not immediately feel sick. Because of bitter almond odor, cyanide poisoning may be suspected, but cyanide acts much faster. Poisoning closely resembles that due to aniline. Estimated lethal dose 1 to 5 grams.
Skin Contact:
May be irritating and sensitizing to the skin. May be rapidly absorbed through the skin, with symptoms paralleling those following ingestion exposure.
Eye Contact:
Vapors cause eye irritation. Splashes cause severe irritation, possible corneal burns and eye damage.
Chronic Exposure:
Repeated or prolonged exposure through any route may cause damage to the central nervous system, liver, spleen, kidneys, and bone marrow. May also cause weight loss, anemia, jaundice, hemolysis, weakness, and irritability. A two year study titled "A Chronic Inhalation Toxicity Study of Nitrobenzene in B6CF1 Mice, Fischer 344 Rats and Sprague-Dawley Rats", was released by the Chemical Industry Institute of Toxicology (CIIT). The report indicates that Nitrobenzene has weak carcinogenic activity in rodents after chronic inhalation exposure and may express carcinogenic activity in humans. Based upon the result of this animal testing, Nitrobenzene should be handled as a potential carcinogen.
Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
Persons with pre-existing skin or blood disorders or impaired liver, kidney, or cardiovascular function may be more susceptible to the effects of this substance. The influence of ethyl alcohol may aggravate the toxic effects of nitrobenzene.

Roger T
11-30-2010, 01:20 PM
But the BANANA smell was GREAT

adamsgt
11-30-2010, 02:09 PM
But the BANANA smell was GREAT

When I was 12 years old (1952) my dad was on the Detroit police force. At that time he was on a four man crew that cruised in a big four door Buick that had all kinds of frightfullness in the huge trunk. Every few weeks the team would gather in our basement recreation room and clean and oil all sorts of weapons from pump shotguns on up. The smell of Hoppes #9 was ambrosia to me from that day on. :)

Gina1
12-03-2010, 08:38 PM
Good info on getting a stuck live case removed. Of all the copper removers KG-12 is the most aggressive, and it will not harm the barrel.