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foosurdaddy
03-27-2010, 09:36 AM
I have a weaver T-16 mounted on mt annie-64 im guessing i bought it around 79-80.

Was just wondering if they are still being made.
What do you guys think about the quality.
Is it a good scope for benchrest at the entry level.

Also it needs cleaned....what options do i have here

thanks
foosurdaddy

Carp
03-27-2010, 10:12 AM
For entry level it'll be fine. I started with a 16 power BSA and it worked, but as you start shooting in more and more matches you want to move up to a 36X or more. I have a Weaver T-36 and a Leupold 36X BRD and like both of them. I think the optics are better on the Leupold but the T-36 has 1/8 min clicks and a nice locking ring on the parallax.

John M. Carper

lead head
03-27-2010, 10:12 AM
Weaver still makes a t-16 but I prefer the 36x for bench rest shooting. a new 36 will run you around 380+shipping from KSS. Also sightron makes a good 36x dot style scope.
Larry

DonMatzeder
03-27-2010, 10:16 AM
Entry level is another of those undefined terms. Lots of stuff gets shot at matches that are not likely to win. The shooters have fun and learn a lot. Come on out and shoot. Don't spend any money on anything until you see how the game is played and whether you like it. You'll probably appreciate a little more magnification after you try it. As for the gun, depends on the crowd.

langenc
03-27-2010, 08:05 PM
Shoot what you got!!!

King Ghidora
03-28-2010, 07:39 AM
I have a T36. It's a great scope. It's very clear for the stength of the scope and the AO is very easy to get right. The field of view is plenty wide too. The only "problem" I've had with this scope is that the eye relief is very limited. But in reality that's a good thing because it keeps your eye in one spot which is what you want to do anyway. All in all it's a great scope.

foosurdaddy
03-28-2010, 10:32 AM
Was just looking at my Weaver T-16 and noticed that on the turents there are no caps and it does not say if each click is 1/4 or 1/8 all it says is bullet impact with arrows, it also says " micro-trac " on the side of the turent base. Again this scope is, im guessing 30 years old.
Also it looks like there is a locking ring on the parallax, what is this for?.


What would be the best way to clean the lenses on a scope like this.....?

thanks again
foosurdaddy

langenc
03-28-2010, 01:16 PM
I have a T36. It's a great scope. It's very clear for the stength of the scope and the AO is very easy to get right. The field of view is plenty wide too. The only "problem" I've had with this scope is that the eye relief is very limited. But in reality that's a good thing because it keeps your eye in one spot which is what you want to do anyway. All in all it's a great scope.

I think your problem is not 'eye relief' but 'depth of field'.

Eye relief is the distance the scope lens is fron the shooters eye(body). Depth of field (if I remember) is the distance the eye can be moved fore and aft and still keep a 'full picture' and not black.

T36s are great esp the small dot ones. I only wils the scope (covers perhaps) were labelled as to the value of each 'click'. I mack a small computer generated label and afix it inside the lense cover so I can be reminded when a brain fart occurs.

I also put a small label with the same info on the side of the rifle for the wife and other shooters.

King Ghidora
03-29-2010, 07:10 PM
I'm sorry to say this langenc but you are essentially repeating what I said. I certainly know the difference between DOF and eye relief. I shoot video for a living including event video and I'm working on an historical documentary. I have a publisher lined up for that work if I ever get it finished. It's a lot of work to do it right. But I know lenses. It's my job.

Eye relief is the problem I mentioned although it isn't really a problem. I have to put my eye in the same place every time which eliminates problems with not seeing the same thing every time. But it's hard to put my eye in exactly the right spot every time. But it makes me more accurate.

langenc
03-29-2010, 08:39 PM
I begga your pardon!

virg
03-30-2010, 12:43 PM
Weaver still makes a t-16 but I prefer the 36x for bench rest shooting. a new 36 will run you around 380+shipping from KSS. Also sightron makes a good 36x dot style scope.
Larry

Weaver no longer makes either the T16 or T6. They still produce the T24 and T26.

Schattenjager
03-30-2010, 02:00 PM
Weaver no longer makes either the T16 or T6. They still produce the T24 and T26.

Think you meant to say T-36

ifldned
03-30-2010, 04:06 PM
foosurdaddy, you and I are in the same shoes, we're greenhorns. I have had the same set up as you do,same rifle,scope combo. You have more than enough hardware to start shooting. Go try grouping with different brands of top notch ammo. If possible, go to a indoor 50 yard range. Let us know the results. You might end up with one of those magical combinations of rifle and ammo. It's more fun to be David than Goliath.....
ifldned

foosurdaddy
03-30-2010, 04:35 PM
ifldned

Man are you right about being David.

As soon as my 64 gets back from MT guns I will do just that. I am gathering up some match ammo untill it gets here. Not an easy task.

So for now I will just have to enjoy my new KID built 10/22....just picked it up yesterday.
His trigger is flippin awsome...he set the first stage at 8oz and the second stage at 1 pound....it breaks clean like my Masaki 45.
I never thought I'd own a 10/22 with a good triger let alone an awsome one.

foosurdaddy

virg
03-30-2010, 05:19 PM
Think you meant to say T-36

You're absolutely right. Good catch...

King Ghidora
03-30-2010, 11:40 PM
I was at the practice shoot Tuesday night Schattenjager. Maybe I'll see you at the wannabe match Wed. evening. I learned a few things from Alan. The people there are very friendly and helpful. If you see Alan tell him I'll be back and I'll be ready to nail some more bullseyes. ;)

ifldned
03-31-2010, 05:04 AM
foosurdaddy,
nobody can say you don't support
the 22lr industry. I've come back to shooting after a long hiatus. I want to know what your Kidd 10/22 can do. My friend Ervin has a 10/22 that can shoot .182 groups, 5 shot,50 yards, indoors regularly. His targets are scored on a electronic target setup.
ifldned

foosurdaddy
03-31-2010, 10:23 AM
ifldned,

I had 3 ruger 10/22's before the KID. I really enjoy shooting 10/22 type rifles.
2 of the 3 10/22 I own are USST-10/22 one for each of my boys. The 3rd is a standerd target model.
Because of my bullseye pistol back ground, I wanted to find not a good trigger but a great one. Because of that I had no choice but to have Tony
build one for me. But keep in mind there are 10/22's out there that will shoot tighier groups then my KID will. But I was not looking for a gun that would shoot BR size groups, rather a great looking, great shooting gun with the best trigger out there for 10/22's and most of all reliable.


ifldned where are you from

Foosurdaddy

ifldned
04-02-2010, 04:14 AM
foosurdaddy,
I'm from Modesto, California. Did you get the personal message I sent you?
I'm actually a pistol shooter that has rifles to play with, or maybe I have graduated to rifles. So far it's held my interest. Where as pistol shooting is a athletic and psychological challenge. I think benchrest shooting is more of a science.
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foosurdaddy
04-02-2010, 09:06 AM
I do agree with you about the differences between the two.

I di not get you message.....if you want you can write me at

foosurdaddy1@gmail.com

thanks
Joe Lipari

ifldned
04-06-2010, 07:34 PM
Joe, what do you want out of benchrest shooting? I'm like you, I'm a big bore standing silhouette pistol shooter who was formidable in my day. I'm 57 years old now and recently retired myself from 25 years of racing motorcycles and rally cars that go up to 191 mph. I like the relaxation and concentration benchrench shooting offers and I was a shooter when I was younger, much younger. All I want is to shoot a 5 shot one hole group under .5 inch at 100 yards and to hit golf balls at 200 yards on occasion. I know they say there are people that can hit golf balls at three or four hundred yards, but I'm willing to lose a hefty wager on such claims. A golf ball is 1.68 inch in diameter.
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DonMatzeder
04-06-2010, 07:38 PM
If your betting aganist center fire guys, you better make that a small wager. RF is a different animal feel free to bet on those 300yd shots.

ifldned
04-06-2010, 07:46 PM
Don,thank you for reminding me that I meant 22lr as I have seen guys shooting 6mm at 300 yards shoot .75 inch five shot groups in severe wind condtions using a Tasco scope mind you, at Sacramento, California rifle range. I was impressed. I did not know Tasco made such scopes. I'm always willing to be proven wrong.
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King Ghidora
04-06-2010, 10:39 PM
There are places that have very little wind. Places in the mountains or even in areas with large hills can often block almost all significant wind. And if the weather is calm on top of that you can get near zero wind for fairly long distances. When there is no wind shooting long range isn't nearly as challenging as it is when you're in open country. I'm certainly not going to claim I can hit golf balls at 300 yards because I've never tried it. But I was hitting single leaves on the ground at 200 yards recently with a Marlin Model 60 and CCI SV ammo. I had a 3-9x40 Nikon scope mounted on it. With a more powerful scope and some time to spend practicing and a spotter I believe it would be possible to hit a golf ball fairly often at 300 yards. If bullets aren't affected by wind they will fly pretty true. It's just a matter of calculating the right hold over to be accurate at 300 yards. I've seen shots at 375 yards with a .22 that hit a target about 18" in diameter. I missed that target by about 18" myself. And that was the first and only shot I took at that target. And I'm not the best shooter on earth currently. ;)

Bob Kingsbury
04-07-2010, 12:06 AM
Golf balls at 300 with a 22RF on a mountain top using a 3-9 and
Marlin 60 ;)

ifldned
04-07-2010, 04:43 AM
That's a most impressive shot. How many sighting shots and attempts do you think it would take on average to make that hit? We need a 300 yard 5 shot record for 22lr.
ifldned

King Ghidora
04-07-2010, 02:19 PM
I think you misread my post Bob. I said a person would need a more powerful scope than a 3-9 and I didn't say to shoot on top of a mountain. Mountains don't block wind when you're on top of them. It's when you're at the bottom of the mountain that wind gets blocked. You have this giant wall of dirt that blocks wind from coming in on you at times in the right spots. For example where I live I rarely have wind over 5 mph. That's because I'm surrounded by large hills on every side except for straight down the road and the road turns within a quarter of a mile where it goes behind the hills. Try reading my posts if you want to comment on them. And BTW I've shot a sub .5 group at 100 yards with that Marlin. I have a witness too. In fact I've done it more than once. So before you decide you know more about me than I do you should check the facts. I also have a target that I shot about a 2" group at 100 yards on top of a hill with wind about 10-15 mph. That was with a Savage MkIIBTV. I put a few rounds in the bullseye on that target. I have a witness that is a range master at the gun club that will back that up if you like.

You can belittle the guns I use all you want but I've got pretty good results with them. I can hit a golf ball at 200 yards fairly easily with that Marlin you think is so funny. I sure can't do it every shot but once I establish the amount of holdover I can probably hit it 1 out of 10 or possibly 1 out of 5 times.

These boards would be a lot more enjoyable if there weren't so many people trying to prove they can pee further than you. Grow up for pity's sake.

ifldned
04-07-2010, 03:11 PM
I was at the range yesterday. This gentlemen comes up to me and say's he has a new rifle and scope for squirrel hunting. It's a Marlin 17 hmr and a nikon scope. So he sights it in on paper and 50 yards and goes over to the 100 yards range. He has three groups of three shots at .5 inch and one about 1 inch. He said, "I paid $235 for this rifle, not bad, huh". This is in a 5 mph swirling wind. I'm thinking," I need a Marlin"......
ifldned
King Ghidora, anytime you get a bunch of guys together there's bound to be a pissing contest. One has to remember, after about that fourth cold one not to piss in the wind.

MKnarr
04-07-2010, 03:21 PM
I'm just glad it wasn't me that started it this time.

I'm not sure I would call one out of 5 or 10 shots to mean much. But what would I know, I only compete at 200 meters from the bench and know what can and can't be done and what kind of rifle it takes to do it.

ifldned
04-07-2010, 10:20 PM
McNarr,
I'm just wondering what size the groups are that win in a 200 yard 22lr rifle benchrest shoot?. I imagine if you get enough good shooters slinging enough lead somebody can shoot under 2 inches for 5 shots. It's hard to imagine somebody that can shoot 1 inch groups at 200 yards with a 22lr. But I know it's been done by someone before. I'm asking because that is how far I'm going to be doing alot of my shooting from.
ifldned

MKnarr
04-08-2010, 09:35 AM
Let's put it this way. I have been shooting 22 Benchrest Silhouette for 6 years. We shoot at 65, 75, 100, 150 and 200 meters. The coyote at 200 meters is about 10 inches long and has a sweet spot about 4 1/2 inches in diameter. In those six years, I have seen all 10 targets knocked down about 7 or 8 times out of over 400 attempts. Rifles used are CZ, Anschutz 64, 54, Win 52s, Rem 40 X, Savages and full blown customs with Halls and Turbos. There is even one custom 10/22. Ammo is any match ammo from Wolf to 10X.

I will admit that it isn't the most wind free range but two of the shooters were on the Hunters Benchrest team that won the national title so we aren't talking about neophytes.

I just had my Anschutz rebuilt with an Shilen Octagon rifling barrel and have shot one group at 200 meters. You can see the group here (http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329964) in post #6. For 200 meters, this is an outstanding group, I'm sure there won't be a lot of these, it's a lot harder than people think.

ifldned
04-08-2010, 01:58 PM
McNarr,
Very impressive shooting and a beautiful rifle you have. I appreciated your backround on all the attempts made at knocking down all the targets and the success rate also. It gives me a reference point to compare to.
I've been away from shooting for 25 years. I have a Womack 52 Winchester that I shot once at 200 meters. I got lucky and shot a 2.25 inch 5 shot group, something like your case, first group at that distance. Then I put it away until now.
I've been ammo testing the last two times out. I've tried every top grade ammo made except for eley tenex with the eps bullet. I have old tenex that shoots really well. I've got a Anshutz 54.18 silhouette rifle. Both rifles shoot under .15 inch at 50 yards easily with the best ammo. I'm grateful to Mr. Gorham for letting me know what a good rifle should shoot. I'm wondering about the "eps" bullet. Do you think it does better than round nose out to 200 meters? If anyone has a opinion on this I'm all ears as I am awaiting a eley shipment with this bullet for my final testing. ifldned

MKnarr
04-08-2010, 04:24 PM
I only shoot the EPS bullet. Your question was asked on another forum in a slightly different way.

I live at 7000 feet so the numbers I show may or may not mean much. I don't have two chronographs so what I did was shoot 10 rounds of SK STD + which has a round nose, 10 rounds of Eley Match with the round nose and 10 rounds of Eley Match with the EPS bullet with the chronograph set at 10 feet. Then I shot 10 rounds of each with the chronograph set 148 feet. Using the average velocity of each 10 rounds at both distances I found a BC calculator on line and came up with the following BC.

SK STD + .154
Eley Match Semiauto .153
Eley Match EPS .175

The STD in velocity for each round was just about the same at 50 yards as it was at 10 feet. Eley lists .140 for both the RN and the flat nose bullet. I don't know that the .15 and .17 are the correct numbers but when I see both RN bullets around .15 and the EPS .02 better I have to believe that the numbers are at least in the right direction and the EPS bullet should therefore be better in the wind. Can I prove it? No but I will continue to shoot the EPS bullet at all ranges.

Jim

ifldned
04-08-2010, 05:40 PM
MKnarr,
I was thinking maybe the "eps bullet" was designed specifically for 50 meters and that the round nose bullet might have an advantage at 100 meters to 200 meters. After all, even Eley calls it a flat nose bullet, and hollow point boat tail bullets have a advantage over other bullets at extreme range. I've noted 22lr only loses 150 fps from 50 meters to 200 meters. You're probably right just to stick with Eley and try different lots of the "eps" bullet.
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