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skeetlee
03-19-2010, 06:46 PM
I just got my Leupold scope back from repair and i went to mount it on my LG ppc. I noticed that my action isn't exactly level in the stock. I had my rifle in my front JJ rest while i was trying to level the rifle up to mount my scope. Bottom line its off quite a bit. What i did was just level off the top of the Davidson 2 piece bases , then leveled the scope off of them. So i guess i need to know if i did the right thing here? Also fellas should i buy one of those levels that mount on your scope so i know when my rifle is level at the bench? If i go by the level on my JJ front rest the rifle wont be level. So just to re-cap all this since i am one of the worlds worst when it comes to explaining things here on this computer. I leveled my scope off the top of my 2 piece Davidson bases on my BAT sv action. and should i get a level for my scope so i know when my rifle is level? Thanks fellas! Lee

Ken Russo
03-19-2010, 07:22 PM
I would have the gunsmith look at the bedding. If it was professionally bedded , I would be on the phone with the gunsmith that did the work and have it checked again.
If its not bedded, might be time to consider it. Even if you manage to even it up with the shims you're using, that doesn't take into account any stress the action and stock are experiencing from the action not being set right into the stock.

skeetlee
03-19-2010, 08:52 PM
the rifle shoots like a house of fire and was professionally built by Lester Bruno. The bat action is glued in. I can put my level on the bottom of the forearm in several places and when it is level the tops of the bases are not. I can see on the back tang were one side is a bit higher than the other. Well at least thats what it looks like. Hard to tell with these mcmillan stocks. What should i do, should i level the scope off the stock and rest or off the top of the bases? Please advise. Thanks Lee

John Kielly
03-19-2010, 08:57 PM
Fit it the same way it shot like a house on fire before.

Ken Russo
03-19-2010, 08:59 PM
Considering that the action is glued in, I would guess that Bruno checked the bedding from the interior of the stock before gluing it in. I would suspect that what you're seeing is cosmetic rather than an actual issue with the stock.
Might have been nice if the smith finished it to look right as well, but I would just shoot it until time comes to put another barrel on.
Post up a pic of the issue.

JohnVm
03-19-2010, 09:07 PM
Skeet, I am having trouble making out what you are accomplishing but I will attempt to help. If the rifle is shooting real good than leave the bedding alone. If you are worried about the scope being level to the gun and the rest don't worry as long as they are close. I say this assuming a ppc for 1-200 yd shooting. You can see the point of impact at short range and adjust your scope.
At long range were you can't always see your point of impact and can't always shoot off a steady rest that keeps the gun consistent you may need a level scope and or a scope level to ensure consistent alignment.

Dave Coots
03-19-2010, 09:17 PM
What is the best to have, a level action or one that shoots like a Big Dog. Don't be thinkin so much.;):p The way that rifle shoots, don't touch a thing.

Later
Dave

Nader
03-19-2010, 09:18 PM
Lee,
Many different things going on here,it's not a perfect(plumb) world.Not shure exactly what you have but here's what I have found from my experience.
Fiberglass stocks are mostly twisted,it's the nature of the beast.Actions are not always perfect( I had an early Nesika that had the trigger slot cut a few deg off plumb). Gunsmiths are not perfect and it is possible to have an off plumb glue up. Some gunsmiths faced with a twisted stock and a not quite perfect action will simply split the difference and call it good( this all happened to me).For whatever reason if you take a leupold(not shure about other brands) scope and attach levels to the turrets there is no gaurantee that your crosshairs are going to run level and plumb.
So you get a level bench, a level rest,you pound the sand in your front bag level as well,you get a level target board and hang a plumb bob to index your verticle crosshair to,you might even get a square and ink out a perfect 90deg line off your plumb string, now go back to your level bench and rotate your scope untill your crosshairs match up pretty good to the plumb line and 90deg line. Thats about all you can do. And the rifle will be about as level as you are gonna get it.
Some real trouble signs; If your internal scope adjustments are way off the center of the tube to compensate for crooked glue up,scope bases,stock,etc then your scope will get "stupid" a lot and you'll need to correct the other issues. If your scope adjustments are pretty much close to the middle of their range then you should be OK. You will still have to wrestle with the fiberglass stock twist/crookedness every time you pull the trigger,but such is life unless you can afford,Leonard/Scoville,Scarborough stocks.
Hope this helps,
Joel

skeetlee
03-19-2010, 09:43 PM
Thanks fellas, I wasnt really worried about all this i just wanted to be sure i was putting the scope on the best way possible. Rifle shoot outstanding and i am very happy ended with it. I just didnt know how to mount this new scope correctly. I also was pretty sure that since this is a point blank rifle that this hole thing wasnt all that important, but i wanted to be sure. This short range game is pretty tough and i needed to be sure i was doing everything correctly, or as close to it as possible for me. I will do the plumb bob thing tomorrow at the range. Sorry if it seemed i am over re-acting like i said, i just wanted to be sure. Thanks Lee

I looked again at the stock and action and i take back what i said about it looking off sided. I think it looks ok, but something is off sided somewhere? Maybe the bases? I dont know? I also wanted to make it clear that i think Lester Bruno builds one heck of a rifle. I never have owned any rifle that shoots like this one!!! I Love it!!!! Lee

jackie schmidt
03-19-2010, 09:55 PM
Darn, the trigger would get all bound up in the space allocated for it if the thing is so out of plumb to make any difference.

If the thing is shooting that good, just leave it alone..........jackie

skeetlee
03-19-2010, 10:32 PM
I would have left it alone, but i swaped out and old weaver for a Leupold. I just wanted to know the best way to line up the new scope. Sorry for the trouble.

Boyd Allen
03-19-2010, 11:28 PM
This is what I use.
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=6097/Product/EXD_ENGINEERING_VERTICAL_RETICLE_INSTRUMENT
If you want to really get it right, you put the rifle in a vise that allows you to center the bubble and then roll the scope in its rings till the vertical cross hair is parallel with a plumb line. For less demanding situations, you can level the top of the vertical turret cap, again, with the rifle held so that the tool's bubble is centered. ...slick tool...very handy

Dave Coots
03-20-2010, 12:18 AM
You had me confused-i thought the action was not lined up in the stock the way i read your post.

Catch ya later.
Dave