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negpos
02-05-2010, 11:48 PM
i have been searching the all over the net for somthing pre owned that i might be able to compete with.i found something that might be a good deal but would like some feed back. is the price fair and is this something that would be competative? Cooper TRP-3 22LR

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=156778860

thanks in advance

68driftr
02-06-2010, 01:28 AM
There is a SuhL up on Rimfire Central right now with a scope.

DonMatzeder
02-06-2010, 07:08 AM
Nobody wants to be negative about any gun but I don't see any Coopers at the top of the Nationals equipment list
http://ara.benchrest.net/2009/2009_Nationals%20Equipment.htm

Bill B
02-06-2010, 07:21 AM
That's not likely to be the rifle that'll take you to the top, but then it doesn't cost $4,000 either. That rifle will get you in the game and depending on the equipment used by the shooters in your area, it might be competitive on a local level. So long as you're realistic that a newbie using entry level equipment is not going to successful at the highest level of the sport, you will be able to learn and enjoy our sport with that type of rig. Good luck to you with whatever you decide to do.

Gumby
02-06-2010, 08:20 AM
One of the biggest disincentives for anyone looking into trying Rimfire Benchrest is being told right up front that you need the top of the line equipment that can compete at the national level.

It is like being told that the price of admission is:

Custom rifle: $3000
One Piece rest $800
Competitive Ammo $1500 per case

And the attitude that “if you don’t want to pony up (equipment wise) before even your first match, just buzz off boy, you are bothering us.” That is what kills the interest of most people that would even consider trying the sport even before they sit down at a bench at a match.

My advice is to just ignore the grumpy old men and show up at a match with what you have (CZ, Anschutz etc.) and try the course of fire to see if you would enjoy the competition. Yes, there is no way you will win, but you can get a feel for whether or not you would even enjoy the competition.

I started with an Anschutz 1411 that I bought for $425 and have been slowly upgrading it, and having fun along the way. I am sure I won’t get my entire investment back. But if that was my concern, I probably should put the money in a CD at the bank.

I compete at local club matches and I am really enjoying myself, but I almost let the elitist attitude of some on this board keep me from even trying the sport.

Someday I will have the time that it takes to justify buying a custom built bench rifle and the time to test ammunition for every phase of the moon, barometric pressure, temperature range, humidity level and wind direction.

Until then I am just enjoying company of other competitors at the matches and trying to increase my scores.:)

Michael Ohlsen
Andover, Kansas

DonMatzeder
02-06-2010, 08:33 AM
Gumby, is your alternative to lie to the new shooter? I would be much more upset with the folks here if I had spent my money on the cooper, went to the match and found out that I now had to sell it at a loss and buy something else. Yes, all new shooters should be advised to attend a match and pick their poison after borrowing some equipment for a match or two. Most won't take that advice because they want to be prepared when they show up the first time. That is the purpose of asking the question here.

Gumby
02-06-2010, 08:44 AM
Just keep driving people away and watch the sport die.

Mike

DonMatzeder
02-06-2010, 08:46 AM
It was an honest question. What would you tell the poster that wants to know if a cooper can win?

Wilbur
02-06-2010, 08:52 AM
Negpos' question directly asked if the rifle would be "competitive".

Wilbur
02-06-2010, 08:59 AM
Negpos - Kindly offer your thoughts on the responses to your question.

hi2utoo
02-06-2010, 09:00 AM
i have been searching the all over the net for somthing pre owned that i might be able to compete with.i found something that might be a good deal but would like some feed back. is the price fair and is this something that would be competative? Cooper TRP-3 22LR

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=156778860

thanks in advance

Hi negpos, Welcome to the forum. Don, Mike and Bill all have good points to consider. When you say being competative it depends on which game your shooting and those your competing with. If your shooting against others using stock rifles yes you probably could compete with them. Let's say if you were shooting ARA matches against some of the top shooters no you wouldn't be competitive. I've only been competing a couple of years in ARA matches and I've never seen a Cooper at any of them. I've read where some have claimed that the Coopers they own have been competitive where they compete, but can't say for sure. There's one listed in the classifieds here right now that's had the trigger upgraded to a Jard 2 oz. and tuner with weights added. Note that for benchrest the very light triggers is the way to go and the stock Cooper triggers aren't adjustable for such. My suggestion would be to go to a couple of matches and talk to some of the folks and see what's going on. Determine what type of competition you'll be doing, benchrest has a few choices, ARA, IR 50/50, and local clubs that have their own rules etc.... Good Luck and come back and ask away. Also if you PM some of the folks who respond to your questions they may even agree to talk to you real time on the phone. My one suggestion is don't rush out and buy something that won't work for what you want to do.

Les Williams

KAZ
02-06-2010, 09:07 AM
Welcome negpos, I have no experience with the setup you are asking about, but you might expand your internet search to include Killough Shooting Sports.com(one of our sponsors). Dan has a good used equipment section on his web site, and was most helpful to me when I became interested in BR last July. Regards

Carp
02-06-2010, 09:10 AM
Negpos and Gumby,
I went to my first 7 ARA matches with a stock Remington 541-thbl. I took along 4 or 5 old shot bags filled with sand and a few boxes of Federal UM1. I finished dead last everytime. I upgraded equipment a bit at a time. I bought a used two piece rest system and bought some Eley Tenex. It didn't improve my situation. I then bought a used bench gun and the world turned. I won a high target the first registered target I shot with it. What I'm getting to is I learned the game with the equipment I already had, no matter how uncompetitive it was. I learned what to expect as to what the wind would do to the bullet. I learned to like the game. But I never had any expectations to do well until I was properly equipped. I think that, scratch that, I know that a lot of new shooters get really intimidated when they take their best squirrel rifle or old NRA sillywet gun and find that it isn't even in the same state as the ballpark. But it takes someone who dedicates themselves to suck all that up and upgrade equipment and continue competing. This sport is not cheap by any means. But if you want any hobby, it gets into your pocketbook.

John M. Carper

Gumby
02-06-2010, 09:37 AM
Don,

I am enjoying the discussion.

But, what is more important?

Saving someone a few dollars? OR Encouraging interest and participation?

This is just a hobby, it isn’t about saving money.

If someone loses ½ of their “investment” in a $1200 rifle they are out $600.

That is a lot less than the cost of a case of “competitive” ammunition at $1500 to $2500.

If you and others on this board tell people that they shouldn’t bother with trying this sport unless they are willing to start out with “Mercedes” class equipment instead of maybe trying with a “Chevy” you are doing more to kill the sport than you are to build participation. IMHO

I am sure I won't change your opinion on this, but I call it as I see it.:)

DonMatzeder
02-06-2010, 09:45 AM
If the question was framed differently, I would have sugested that the new guy buy a 40x for the same money or less. Try the game and if he likes it, put a trigger, good stock, and depending on how it shot, a new barrel and he would have gotten into the game without wasting a dime. He also could sell out for just what he had into the gun anytime he wanted to.

Kent Owens
02-06-2010, 10:34 AM
I read the original question, will it be competitive? And, I agree that Don gave a good answer. A 40X would be a good start. I read "competitive" to be any where you go at any match, you have a chance of winning or placing at the top.
No one is trying to run off new folks who are interested in the game.
However, when someone asked a question he deserves a true answer, does he not?

It's less expensive in the long run to start out with the proper equipment. This is a benchrest forum and there are guys who can point you in the right direction on equipment. But, having top equipment won't guarantee you a win either. There's a bit more to it than that.

If you just want to play the game, any safe equipment will do. If you want to be competitive, you have to get more in line with whatever the rest of the folks are using and learn to use WIND FLAGS.

sofarfrome
02-06-2010, 10:50 AM
i have been searching the all over the net for somthing pre owned that i might be able to compete with.i found something that might be a good deal but would like some feed back. is the price fair and is this something that would be competative? Cooper TRP-3 22LR

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=156778860

thanks in advance

I would go here (http://www.killoughshootingsports.com/Webs/Rifles.html) and plunk down monies on one of the rifles listed on the page. Then look around on the site for wind flags and a good rest (if you don't already have this equipment). Then buy 2 boxes of each machine/lot of Eley Tenex and Black box match for testing. If you need a scope there are some 24X Leupolds there also. IMHO you will be better off than buying the Cooper from gunbroker. Like someone here already said, a Cooper has not shown up at the top of any national matches but Suhl, Rem40x, and Annie 54s have. Give yourself the best chance at having a gun that will shoot well and it will save you time, money, and perhaps some aggravation down the road. The aggravation will always be there but time and money will not.

chadflys
02-06-2010, 11:34 AM
Take a look at this. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=156731076

Be patient....knowledge is valuable. Find someone that knows the game and pick their brain. Most really like to share what they have learned.

The cooper wouldn't be bad, Its just likely to lose value vs. some other options.

I believe I'd buy this before the cooper. You can just do more with it and history of others success is comforting. Like others have said and for about 200-400 more you can have one with a better history...Suhl, 40X, Win 52, ....Go to killoughshootingsports.com and check out his used guns...Dan likely can tell you much about each gun and is a good fellow. You'll be doing business with him anyways in the futrue if you keep at it.



Good luck

Chadflys

gambler
02-06-2010, 11:42 AM
22benchrest aint 22 longrifle is it ??

DonMatzeder
02-06-2010, 11:44 AM
Nope, but the other half of that advice was good. Call Dan.

Gumby
02-06-2010, 11:52 AM
Gentlemen:

I stand by all of my statements.

The biggest hurdle this sport has is convincing someone they have to invest $3000 to $5000 "before" the can even think about showing up at a match.

Being "competitive" by whatever definition you or I want to use is subject to debate.

But a prospective benchrest shooter will never, ever be "competitive" if he or she never even shows up at a match to "compete" because of some of the well meaning advice given on these forums. :rolleyes:

We will have to agree to disagree.:)

Mike Ohlsen

cwop
02-06-2010, 01:11 PM
look at dan killoughs site. he has a nice suhl b/r rifle for sale. reasonable considering all the work that s been done to it.

dont get impatient there are 25 listed for sale here on the site.

bob

Kent Owens
02-06-2010, 02:51 PM
If I was interested, I'd go to a sanctioned match near you and get acquainted with the shooters. You find they will be very helpful in answering your questions if you ask 'em politely, and either before the match or after the match. Most don't want to field questions while they're busy cleaning their rifles or shooting. Several have pointed out sites where rifles are available, but this site has a classified section where many very good rifles have been sold for fair prices.
If you buy a good BR rifle already set up with a McMillan stock, good action, good trigger, tuner, etc., if it doesn't meet your expectations you can always have it rebarreled.
Hoever, if you're buying one that has a proven record of winning on a regional or National level, expect to pay a premium. 'Bout the same as buying the horse that just won the Kentucky derby:) maybe a little less $$.

JJ-IA
02-06-2010, 04:02 PM
If you guys recommending 40X’s are talking about re-barreled, 1.5oz triggered, custom benchrest stocked 40X’s you should probably say so. Unless you want the original poster to show up with a factory stock CMP rifle.

negpos:
Option number 2:
Shoot in competitions that let you be competitive with a rifle you want to own, and can afford.
Buy any gun you desire that has a reputation for accuracy, and go to a USBR or 3-class club match (factory sporter, custom, unlimited).
You'll have a blast for a fraction of the cost, the same chance of winning as everyone else in your class, and you’ll learn a lot about what it takes to make you and your rifle shoot.

You can always advance to ARA / RBA in the future if you choose, but at least you’ll have something fun to fall back on if it doesn’t work out.

buzzard
02-07-2010, 09:34 AM
we shoot every friday ,pick a different target every week, this week we used rba target.there was almost 40 shooters its open class shoot anything ,#1was a 64 annie 249 12x,#2 248 hall heart 18x then there was 3 coopers 248 18x's then a 246, turbo broughten 19 x's along with a couple calfee guns etc it doesnt happen very often but those lesser guns faired very well

Bill Wynne
02-07-2010, 10:49 AM
i have been searching the all over the net for somthing pre owned that i might be able to compete with.i found something that might be a good deal but would like some feed back. is the price fair and is this something that would be competative? Cooper TRP-3 22LR

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=156778860

thanks in advance

I think the price is fair. You would be getting a $400 scope that is found on many winners in competition and a good front rest and a bag that would be worth something north of $250. The rifle might be a top shooter or not. I believe that you could build a good rifle on that action with that stock or you could sell it for the amount that you would have in it. Know one knows if any rifle will shoot until they find the best ammo for it and shoot with it for a while.

Concho Bill

DOUG MILLER
02-07-2010, 12:12 PM
negros & Bill Wayne:

COMMENT (hope it helps): If still interested in the Cooper ad, check to see what is included in the auction. NOTE: There is a place to sign in and get more information (I did not sign in, so not sure if you have already covered this subject. If you have, kindly ignore my comment ;)). There is also a Q & A process with the seller available at the auction site.

Negros, I think Bill Wayne hit the nail on the head, if the scope, rings, and rests come with the rifle. I noticed on the link you can ask the seller questions. I only saw the RIFLE listed in the description part of the advertisment. Are you sure the scope, rings, rest, and bags come with the rifle? The scope lookes like a Weaver 36 X (used by many BR shooters). Again, suggest you ask.

My guess is you might be disappointed at the current price to only receive the RIFLE, if you thought the entire rig was for sale. Again, not sure, but I made that assumption.

The scope, rings, bags, and rest are worth a fair amount (all look like nice gear), and can be used on any rifle (as noted by Bill Wayne). Never sure how much you could get for the gun in the future, but my guess is, if you get the entire package, it is, like Bill Wayne said, a good deal.

No matter which way you go in the process of getting into the game, you will always find event shooters to be extremely helpful when you attend matches. They can steer you in the right direction, save you a lot of money, and a great deal of time.

Once into the 'game,' chances are you will love it (and on some days hate it :D). Enjoy and best wishes, Doug Miller

hi2utoo
02-07-2010, 12:19 PM
It states in the description that it's just the rifle and scope and the rest and bag are not included. The seller did add the last to the listing on the 5th so he may have been getting inquiries about such.

Les

DOUG MILLER
02-07-2010, 12:28 PM
Negpos:

As noted, no way to know if the gun is competitive, and at what level. As note by others above, you will not know that until you shoot it, try various ammo, and maybe even have some top flight shooters try their hand at it. A seasoned shooter can probably evaluate the gun quickly.

If memory serves me correctly:), I seem to recall H.L. Wickham and Scott Hamilton used to win a lot of BR RimFire matches with their custom Coopers. They won at ALL LEVELS of the game: States, Nationals, and in different venues like IR 50/50, ARA, etc. Scott is still active in the sport (I think) and if you look down the forum list, you will see folks are trying to contact him for smithing services. He is well know for his rests, Fudd Tuner, and many other innovations. He is, as well, one of the very fine people in the 'game.'

Again, best wishes, hope you do get into the 'game', and enjoy it, Doug Miller

300snipe
02-14-2010, 01:09 PM
If the question was framed differently, I would have sugested that the new guy buy a 40x for the same money or less. Try the game and if he likes it, put a trigger, good stock, and depending on how it shot, a new barrel and he would have gotten into the game without wasting a dime. He also could sell out for just what he had into the gun anytime he wanted to.

You can say the same thing about skiing, motorcycle racing, etc - just about everyone starts out with something lower end to get into it, upgrades it, outgrows it and buys something pro-level if they really like the sport. Selling/telling someone to get the pro-level stuff at the start is actually wasting their money because in that case they never learn the difference between their old gun and their new gun features... as well the prohibitive cost of making them less interested if you're only trying to tell them to buy pro level gear.

I think the general trend of this thread - if you read all of the replies - that 1) the question was pretty simple "what do I need to get into rimfire benchrest shooting?" and then you pretty much made it seem like it was going to be impossibly expensive and kind of a hassle calling back and forth for match grade pro ammo that the beginning shooter doesn't even need at all anyway.

Edit: I should say that it is good information to know that the competitive ammo is that expensive - I'll be keeping my shooting to the non-pro level specifically because of that. Have to keep money around for all the other hobbies and sports I have.

300snipe
02-14-2010, 01:30 PM
i have been searching the all over the net for somthing pre owned that i might be able to compete with.i found something that might be a good deal but would like some feed back. is the price fair and is this something that would be competative? Cooper TRP-3 22LR

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=156778860

thanks in advance

I know this is obviously from a difference forum but I found it to be useful: http://rimfireshooting.com/index.php?showtopic=1047

Carp
02-14-2010, 01:56 PM
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

Once upon a time, some coming on 4 years ago, I made my first posts on BRC. I was a young and dumb newbie. I had aspirations of using factory sub par equipment with little improvements to compete. I was beaten down on the forum for some of those "ideas". But, I tried anyway. I at least tried. Not with the equipment that I originally thought to try (that I already owned) but with other equipment I already owned. I tried because I knew I could do this. I didn't let anyone prevent me from doing so that beat me down in this forum. I did it for myself. I've since improved in equipment. I've had my victories and my defeats, more so the latter. But I know I can do this and that is the only reason I do it.

I've seen folks "talk" about what they've done on this forum. So very few have actually "done" it. It's easy to hide behind a keyboard. But the rimfire shooting community is a "very small arena". It's not about the "tragedy of defeat" which so many of you know absolutely nothing about. Not even the original chiming of that remark. It's about sitting at a bench, gun in rest or bags, and doing your best. But in a lesson I learned many more years ago than with the Rimfire Benchrest thing. If you want to be one of the best, or even one of the guys that has a chance, you'd better take the words from those who've experienced it to heart. They mean well. They are giving you great advice. They do not mean to chase you away. It's a mindset of those that have never tried it that really don't understand. I didn't. I do now. I respect those that had the balls to tell me then.

"You can get a good look at the T-bone by sticking your head up the bulls a$$, but I'd take the butcher's word for it" - Tommy Boy

John M. Carper

Wilbur
02-14-2010, 02:37 PM
That's one of the better and most well intended posts of all time.

Carp
02-14-2010, 03:05 PM
Wilbur,
"The School of Hard Knocks" applies to me in Rimfire Benchrest. I can only speak of my experience. I am so happy that I made that decision to just go and do it. Shy of my children and little league baseball it has been the greatest thrill of my life.

John M. Carper

gambler
02-14-2010, 05:53 PM
i think beat downs are being confused with something completely different...

a newbie comes on here saying he has a brand x rifle and wants to compete, then someone that has experienced the agony of buying all the wrong equipment, has wasted a small fortune.. has gone the wrong road jumps up with a quick "That Won't Work" !! we do this from remembering the grief we went thru and show a little too much passion too quickly and what was really
meant to help a new guy is mistaken as a rude beat down...there is passion
in this sport and it SHOWS;)

JJ-IA
02-14-2010, 07:40 PM
Are any of you long timers using the same equipment you started out with?

I think most people come here with the same questions in their mind.
Is it really going to cost me 5k+ for a rifle, 1k for a rest, 2k+ for a march scope, and ?k+ for a years worth of ammo just to start playing in your game?

Carp
02-14-2010, 08:10 PM
JJ-IA,
What rifle and equipment are you using and what discipline are you shooting?

John M. Carper

Fred J
02-14-2010, 09:35 PM
I started with a stock Factory 52D in 94. I've modifided as I went along. I've had several barrels on it, and it still is a great action. It' me that not the same.

PS:
I shot BR50, BR30 and ARA

JJ-IA
02-14-2010, 10:36 PM
JJ-IA,
What rifle and equipment are you using and what discipline are you shooting?

John M. Carper
<edit>
Hi John
I introduced myself and listed the matches and yardages I’m shooting a while back in a different thread on this forum. And post number 24 is pretty specific in suggesting USBR and 3-class club matches as a great place to be if the funding isn’t available to jump in head first into the higher registered classes.

I edited my original reply here because it may have been interesting history for some, but didn’t have any place in this thread. It wasn’t a flame or anything and if you didn’t have a chance to read it shoot me a PM and I’ll gladly send you a copy of the original.

Jim

pacecil
02-14-2010, 11:39 PM
What feature or characteristic is it that you get in the custom action that you won't get in the old 40X,52, or Anschutz? I think is negpos were advised of this it might be more helpful to him than simply telling him he must have the "best" to start out with. Just what is it that make the custom "best". If tolerances are tighter, or finish is better, or there is some design feature that makes a custom better then tell us what it is.

If he actually shoots groups (or score) with any gun he chooses that equals the custom, isn't this good enough to establish how the guns compare? Can't he win just as many shoots with his old cheapo as he would with a custom if the guns perform exactly the same? I think we determined long ago that most all good 22 rimfires are equally capable of the same tight grouping necessary for benchrest

Do the customs shoot better because everybody shoots them, or does everybody shoot them because the guns shoot better?

martin hammond
02-15-2010, 07:19 AM
several of us joke about what our idea of accuracy was 3 years ago compared to today. isn't being competitive relevant to who and where your competing with? and then at the end of the day with the equipment you have, being able to say. I did the best I could. to me that's my definition of competitive. where and who are you shooting with?

DonMatzeder
02-15-2010, 07:36 AM
If it were not so politically incorrect, I could make a number of great jokes about you and special olympics.

martin hammond
02-15-2010, 10:56 AM
Don, who knows what evil lurks in mens minds.:) you should try volunteering. it does a soul a world of good.

Carp
02-15-2010, 11:06 AM
JJ-IA,
I only ask about your equipment because the figures you use for purchasing equipment are a bit skewed to real world figures. You could have purchased a PSL winning Turbo a few months back for $4000.00 not $5000.00 (but I routinely see 40X's around $2000 to $2200 that would be an excellent choice not only for a beginners gun but a seasoned competitor, I bought a used Turbo 3.5 years ago for $2700), a brand new Pappas one piece rest (I bought a used Hongisto 2 years ago for $450) is $675 not $1000, a Weaver 36X scope for $380.00 (through Killough Shooting Sports) not $2000.00+ for a March (it's plenty good enough for competition), and $995.00 for a case of Eley Match ammo (through Killough Shooting Sports) that you could easily test and tune, practice with and still shoot 75 registered ARA targets in a season. Yes, it's still a lot of money, I know. But even if you had to purchase bases and rings for a used 40X and all the bells and whistles of a one-piece rest, well proven scope, a fine set of windflags, and a case of ammo it would easily fall under the $5000.00 you quote just to buy a rifle. The ammo would be the only thing that you'd have to replenish from season to season. Yes, the price keeps going up from year to year, but the quality seems to be getting better and better. I shoot around 100 registered ARA per season and I usually purchase around a case of ammo each season.

JJ-IA
02-15-2010, 04:44 PM
Carp, those numbers were just my impression of what someone looking in over the last few years could easily believe it takes to start out with a truly competitive setup. You last post should change that perception for many.
And thank you, its obvious now there wasn’t any hidden agenda in your question.

Carp
02-15-2010, 05:21 PM
Just for a lot of folks information, I bought my rifle used on the Benchrest Central Classifieds. It isn't the most well proven rifle, probably never will be, but it is an excellent rifle and I'm sure there are more that have been available here. I've seen several 40X's that I would love to own. Most have been in the $1700.00 to $2200.00 range. Nothing against the Annies or Suhls, I have seen several of those that would shot with anything out there.

John M. Carper

Picher
02-16-2010, 07:53 AM
I'd have to say that it depends on the competition and how involved you want to get in the game. There are several Coopers at our club and they are competitive here, but as someone else noted, they don't seem to be used by the top shooters in the game.

I've been shooting a Winchester 52C that has been reworked by Butch Hongisto and it's not a bad shooter, but it's never scored a 250 on the IR 50/50 target. I've spent about $1,100 over 12 years on that rifle, but it's not the greatest, but it's been affordable. This year, I've bought a completely made-up rifle with a Rem 40X action that may be a bit better...hopefully a 250 rifle.

After several years of relatively inexpensive converted target rifles being used at our club, the local game just got much more competitive (read expensive). There are several Turbos, Coopers, and at least one Calfee rifle supposedly coming along this season. Most of those rifles will be in the hands of some very good shooters.

If I were to have bought the Win 52C and tried to shoot it with the factory stock today, it would have been quite discouraging and I may have quit the game.

Good luck in whatever you choose for a rifle.

JP

crb
02-16-2010, 08:11 AM
4 pages of replies to an OP that doesn't appear to have come back to this site since his first and only post. Troll ??? I don't know but it seems to be happening a lot in the past months and not just on the rimfire forum.

Gumby
02-17-2010, 06:47 PM
Troll or not, this has been a good discussion.

I think that there has been a good bit of information and opinions shared on this thread. :)

buzzard
02-17-2010, 09:27 PM
look at his name, negative post,i think that explains it

Picher
02-18-2010, 11:45 AM
I agree that there are some very affordable, yet decent starter rifles in the BR Central Classifieds. Most have been owned and shot by benchrest match shooters and may be excellent values. Rimfire barrels, especially chrome-moly ones can outlive their owners. Often, people move to rifles built by the biggest names that might give them a point more per target.

Sometimes, mistakes are made by those who sell excellent rifles, just to buy one that doesn't shoot as well...for them.

Just yesterday, I posted a partially benchrest-modified Anschutz 54 Match rifle with the original barrel (no tuner). It may make a good starter rifle, but may be bought to make up a "super rifle" by one of the better 'smiths.

Last week, I bought a Rem 40x listed in the BR Classifieds. If it doesn't meet my expectations and the Annie doesn't sell, I may decide to jazz it up myself. Guess that's what makes the BR world go 'round!

tunni
02-21-2010, 02:13 PM
Just want to say Hey, my first post here, and I would just like to say this thread has given me some very valuable information, so troll or no troll it has been helpful to this new guy. It will be fun to explore the rest of your site, and get smarter, I hope.

68driftr
02-21-2010, 10:53 PM
4 pages of replies to an OP that doesn't appear to have come back to this site since his first and only post. Troll ??? I don't know but it seems to be happening a lot in the past months and not just on the rimfire forum.

Thank you Ray! I have been watching this and it seems like nobody has read the OP's thread, It is no wonder he never came back! There are 20+ post of nothing to do with what he asked, just Ego's letting go! good night!

bozo699
02-23-2010, 05:17 PM
i have been searching the all over the net for somthing pre owned that i might be able to compete with.i found something that might be a good deal but would like some feed back. is the price fair and is this something that would be competative? Cooper TRP-3 22LR

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=156778860

thanks in advance

I don't own any bench rest rimfire rifles although i am looking into it myself,however I do own a cooper 57m just a bolt action clip fed plincker.I couldn't find any of my old targets as I am moving loading room so I ran down to my shooting shack and squeezed of a few rounds 7.5-10 mph wind all my calipers are boxed up for move so tape measure @ 25yds off bags with my kids standard cci bulk ammo 1/8th-3/16th groups not benchrest by any means but coopers will shoot. my kimber @half the price did almost as well.
I guess you usually get what you pay for @ any rate hope you find something satisfactory to you. have lots of fun and GOOD LUCK!!!
Bozo699.

Rounder
02-28-2010, 12:00 PM
Hi, I came across this thread while looking for information on what to look for in a bench rest. Very good posts. I found them ALL useful. I'm overwhelmed by all the info and new jargon. What do I need to know? Anyway, from this thread I've learned that I will be shooting CCI 36gn thru my Marlin 26N on sand bags and looking for something better -yet to be determined. I have a Sure Shot Shooting vise I got at Cabela's on sale. It has a yoke in back and clamp on the front for the fore stock. I've since read that real bench resters go so far as to pinch the trigger and don't clamp or even touch the rifle, even tho some rests have a strap on the front and some a tray to hold 25# of weight so it won't 'recoil'. So, I guess I'm admitting that I don't know what I need to know but will sift through here and the internet to try and figure it out. This is why I have been a lurker, or Troll so far. Well, anyway, I'm off to find out what makes a good rest. Thanks again for the opportunities to pick your thoughts/opinions. Negpos, if you're out there, come on in, the water's fine.
regards, Zig

Fred J
02-28-2010, 03:02 PM
Until the snow melts, your only choice is to fly south and attend some matches. See what's beeing used and go from there. Presently your choices are a bit on the lean side. If that's all you have, and want to jump in, use it. I'm sure there will be someone in your neck of the glacier that will help.

max456
02-28-2010, 09:40 PM
Hello,

First off let me honest and say I just shoot at two local clubs,neither of those are sanctioned shoots.
But Gene Davis has shot with us several times and his Equipment is top shelf in MHO. Several of us use guns that Gene has turn in to very good shooters.
We have a few qood Kelby guns, some bench rest type of Anshultz,several CMP 40X that Gene has did complete overhauls and a lot of CMP 40X as we received them just added tuners

Now here is the part that will have a lot of swearing at!
There are 5 Coopers TPR all looking the same,Hohen tuners,lightened trigger and 36X weaver scopes. All of them are very good shooter after a couple of bricks
of high speed ammo shot through them,AGAIN this just my opinion and I have just bought one of the Coopers, that I ordered in early July. It will shoot with my Davis reworked 40X action,bench mark barreln and Gene's trigger job

If annyone lives close to Coshocton or Dover Ohio and would like to try our shoots or want imfo send me an e-mail s-m-allen@roadrunner.com


Good shooting
max456