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Bob Kingsbury
10-12-2009, 08:14 PM
Can anyone post a picture of a Calfee muzzle devise ?

Fred J
10-12-2009, 08:23 PM
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s86/FredJ_2007/CalfeeTuner-1.jpg
He said he invented this setup to add to the Harrel style tuner.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s86/FredJ_2007/Tunerw-weights3.jpg

martin hammond
10-12-2009, 08:51 PM
thanks Fred for clearing that up, I was thinking it was the aluminum mountain pie makers on the bottom of the stock.

Bob Kingsbury
10-12-2009, 09:19 PM
Which doe s Calfee use on current builds ?

Fred J
10-12-2009, 10:36 PM
I don't pay that much attention to the current Calfee builds. What ever it is, isn't a Calfee Invention.

Beau
10-12-2009, 11:14 PM
Which doe s Calfee use on current builds ?

Harrel. Which he also refers to as a Calfee or at least Calfee type tuner. He may also use some RvA now. Still would be referred to as Calfee type.

Beau
10-13-2009, 09:29 AM
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg70/wsmallwood/calfeeMuzzledeviceseary90s1.jpg

Don Stith
10-13-2009, 12:28 PM
Can someone provide a precise date when Mr Calfee invented the muzzle device/tuner? Any documentation?
Don

Doug
10-13-2009, 03:49 PM
Don,
According to Precision Shooting it was 1994 & they published an article that Bill wrote in Dec of that year.

J Pappas
10-13-2009, 03:53 PM
Can someone provide a precise date when Mr Calfee invented the muzzle device/tuner? Any documentation?
Don

An article came out in "Precision Shooting" in Dec. 1994 about Bill's tuner, I think. I don't know who wrote the article but I don't think it was Bill. The article said Bill got the idea while driving home from the BR 50 Nationals in Texas in Oct. of 1993. One of the people who has a copy of the new book could probably tell you more.

Beau
10-13-2009, 04:31 PM
I've heard that there is a magazine that pictures Calfee or someone holding a Calfee rifle with a muzzle device that predates the Browning BOSS. Again, I haven't actually seen that. I guess if a person really wants to know, it would require some research.

Don Stith
10-13-2009, 06:36 PM
For those that care. Browning publicly introduced the Boss system in August of 1993. By October of 1994 Savage had a similar device as did QUE company. Brownings patents were delayed because of the similarity to a "device for changing the vibrations of a rifle barrel" applied for June 7,1954 and granted June 8, 1957 to a Mr. Alfred Shapel. Mr Calfee may have devised his muzzle device without knowledge of these other developments. Only he knows that. I do not know when Mr Hoehn began marketing his tuner or what inspired him. Just thought some one might enjoy this info.
Don

B. Harvey
10-13-2009, 07:01 PM
If you go to the patent office online, and search around, some 'devices' even predate those you listed.

martin hammond
10-13-2009, 07:07 PM
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3197/is_n9_v39/ai_16119231/

Tony C
10-13-2009, 07:16 PM
The December 1994 Precision Shooting article is entitled, "The Calfee Rimfire Barrel Device" by Bill Calfee as related to Bruce Buckner.

I reread the article last night and enjoyed it. The article addresses some of the ways people in the past had tried to deal with barrel vibration. Steel bands around the stock, dual bedding screws, some type of electric bedding device???, etc. It even references and acknowledges an article about the BOSS "Ballistic Optimizing Shooting System" written by Richard Kayser in Precision Shooting in a previous June issue. It also states, "He is offering this information for accuracy minded rimfire shooters to make one for themselves if they so desire."

Jetmugg
10-13-2009, 08:17 PM
1986 - Anschutz 54 MS-ED. Threaded muzzle extension and removable weights.


http://www.neonfeather.com/5418/

Beau
10-13-2009, 08:58 PM
If you go to the patent office online, and search around, some 'devices' even predate those you listed.

I think you can find some patents from the '20's. We've been through this before. It's difficult to read what the design is unless you have drawings but the intent was the same.

In the early 90's Bill started showing up with these tuners, the ones in the early nineties pictures, at matches. They no doubt did something but were hard to tune. As far as I remember, Bill did not make them for anybody else but would freely give you the design (of course it's hard to hide the design of a big old blob of steel). The reason given for not making and selling them (it should have been lucrative) was threats from Browning but I can't confirm or deny that.

Hard to tune was the key, because you had to loosen them and move them slightly to change anything, thus evolved the Hoehn 4000+. For those who never shot it, the 4000+ reference was to BR-50 where a 4000 target on 50 bulls was a benchmark that seldom happened and would almost always win. I never say one advertised and the way I got it was because of the same Browning issue. I think Browning finally decided it was not a threat and was not intended to do what the BOSS did (hunting versus BR). But really, they're still kind of an underground thing. You can buy one, but there are few ads. I don't remember any ads until Dan Killough started advertising them. The Browning litigation group probably has him in their sights.

I saw copper pipe fittings on rifles that predate the first Calfee tuner I ever saw and I guess they worked and they were adjustable. But I don't think anybody can deny that where ever the first patent was, or who just tried it or whatever else, Calfee made it widespread. There's little doubt of that because you can trace the beginnings of the use of them across the country and they all come back to that "bull' tuner. But I'm sure their will be disagreement to that and that's good.

Finally, in 2009, after approx 20 years of use we find Martin Hammond to tell us how to use them. How lucky is that?

I know Wilbur, I didn't need that last part.

martin hammond
10-13-2009, 09:04 PM
Beau, never a straight answer without a smoke screen. and never is a long time.

J Pappas
10-13-2009, 09:12 PM
I think you can find some patents from the '20's. We've been through this before. It's difficult to read what the design is unless you have drawings but the intent was the same.

In the early 90's Bill started showing up with these tuners, the ones in the early nineties pictures, at matches. They no doubt did something but were hard to tune. As far as I remember, Bill did not make them for anybody else but would freely give you the design (of course it's hard to hide the design of a big old blob of steel). The reason given for not making and selling them (it should have been lucrative) was threats from Browning but I can't confirm or deny that.

Hard to tune was the key, because you had to loosen them and move them slightly to change anything, thus evolved the Hoehn 4000+. For those who never shot it, the 4000+ reference was to BR-50 where a 4000 target on 50 bulls was a benchmark that seldom happened and would almost always win. I never say one advertised and the way I got it was because of the same Browning issue. I think Browning finally decided it was not a threat and was not intended to do what the BOSS did (hunting versus BR). But really, they're still kind of an underground thing. You can buy one, but there are few ads. I don't remember any ads until Dan Killough started advertising them. The Browning litigation group probably has him in their sights.

I saw copper pipe fittings on rifles that predate the first Calfee tuner I ever saw and I guess they worked and they were adjustable. But I don't think anybody can deny that where ever the first patent was, or who just tried it or whatever else, Calfee made it widespread. There's little doubt of that because you can trace the beginnings of the use of them across the country and they all come back to that "bull' tuner. But I'm sure their will be disagreement to that and that's good.

Finally, in 2009, after approx 20 years of use we find Martin Hammond to tell us how to use them. How lucky is that?

I know Wilbur, I didn't need that last part.

Beau, the Hoehn 4000 was advertised early on in " Precision Shooting" but not for long.

tim in tx
10-13-2009, 11:33 PM
bill didnt even make his own tuners in the early 90s,i know the people who did make them for bill when he started using them . but i will not drag their names in to it . tim in tx

Beau
10-14-2009, 02:56 AM
Yeah, he was never in the tuner business, but I'm pretty sure he made some. Whether or not he had somebody else make them to his specs or not, I couldn't tell you. I do know people were willing to pay him at least $100 for one when you could have them made for $25 and that seemed a little steep. He wouldn't do it.

Beau
10-14-2009, 02:58 AM
Beau, never a straight answer without a smoke screen. and never is a long time.

I know Martin, but that's just a character flaw you have and we don't hold it against you. We embrace you for it.

D R Greysun
10-14-2009, 11:14 AM
I know Martin, but that's just a character flaw you have and we don't hold it against you. We embrace you for it.

+4 Beau, ROFLMAO :D:rolleyes::eek:
Ah sugar, I guess this makes me a 'funny person' slap my hand if you must Wilbur.

D R

dpapadimitrio@g
10-14-2009, 06:56 PM
1986 - Anschutz 54 MS-ED. Threaded muzzle extension and removable weights.


http://www.neonfeather.com/5418/

Long time silhouette shooter. have a McMillan stocked Anschutz 54.18 from that time period. The rifle came with a threaded muzzle and what would later come to be described as a 'bloop tube" that a Anschutz barrel weight system could be attached to, to increase the overall weight of the rifle.

While it may have indeed functioned as a tuner device, believe the intent was to function as a barrel weight system, that is how Anschutz cataloged it. :)