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gordon gauge
07-06-2009, 05:33 PM
If ya still have that ol' dog that just won't hunt, has the pedigree's and trained by one o' them name brand trainers, well now is the time to bust 'em out onto the tradin' block.

As the future is airguns, looks like my Turbo and Annie may have to go.

Seeing as to how it's a sellers market, expect them to be high priced.

If you wanted a package deal with scopes, and shipped in hard cases, well I figger around $13k is my asking price for the whole deal. Only the 14th email offer will be considered.

Oh, and if my email box is full, keep trying. ;)

GG

Douglas
07-06-2009, 05:54 PM
Some of you guys really and truly are funny. There's a line a mile long with folks willing to pony up $11,500 for the man's rifles. you just don't get it. Thanks, Douglas

DonMatzeder
07-06-2009, 05:57 PM
I guess if one is born every minute, it could add up to a mile...8>)

gordon gauge
07-06-2009, 07:10 PM
Oh no Douglas, I get it.

Is it good for the sport? Don't think so.

Do you?

If so, my guess is you have a couple or more cases of that Lapua that was supposed to gaurantee a win.

The camaraderie, the understanding of an even playing field, the fun, seems to be gone at the upper levels of the game. So be it, maybe that is the way the guys at the top want to play. Not my idea of a good, fun, family oriented thing to do.

But that seems to the the ultimate end of "games" in this era. Win at all cost, or lose (finish second).

We are still having fun here in So Cal, and if it ever gets any different, we can take the group down to the Over the Line Tournaments and have more fun than you all can imagine. :D

Beau
07-06-2009, 07:18 PM
Probably neither good or bad for the sport because it's not the norm and is unlikely to become the norm. But Gordon, if it was your gun and you could get $11,500 out of it and you knew you could, would you sell it for less? You know "for the good of the sport".

J Pappas
07-06-2009, 07:44 PM
Gordon, the big question is, "is it good enough to beat KIrk Gastons $3000.00 rifle"? If it can't I don't think many of them will be sold at that price, do you?

tim
07-06-2009, 08:29 PM
If ya still have that ol' dog that just won't hunt, has the pedigree's and trained by one o' them name brand trainers, well now is the time to bust 'em out onto the tradin' block.

As the future is airguns, looks like my Turbo and Annie may have to go.

Seeing as to how it's a sellers market, expect them to be high priced.

If you wanted a package deal with scopes, and shipped in hard cases, well I figger around $13k is my asking price for the whole deal. Only the 14th email offer will be considered.

Oh, and if my email box is full, keep trying. ;)

GG

Since I remember you're scores I'll give you $600 for everything...you keep the ammo you were shooting.

gordon gauge
07-06-2009, 09:19 PM
Well thanks Timmy, you have been around awhile, but I thought most folks would not remember when I was shooting 249's in RBA when there was only one 250 that had ever been shot.

But my focus is on Airguns now, cause I can get the same pellets that you can. Kind of eliminates that East Coast advantage.

Get with the program and go powderless, you for sure have enough hot air to render the need for an air tank pointless. GG

Douglas
07-06-2009, 09:57 PM
Gordon, with all due respect, I think you're off base on this one. We all know this is a money race, but like James says, the $3K gun can win just the same as the $11K gun. You liKe air guns and that's good, no money race there? Thanks, Douglas

Peter Armstrong
07-07-2009, 01:16 AM
Gordon, the big question is, "is it good enough to beat KIrk Gastons $3000.00 rifle"? If it can't I don't think many of them will be sold at that price, do you?

James,
A serious question, what would a gun with a match record like Kirks be worth on the 2nd hand market??

Down here there is not much of a premium put on the price of winning guns, just curious.

Peter

cpeters
07-07-2009, 05:21 AM
Not to change the direction of the thread but, Dearl Lanes multiple ARA Nationals winners were for sale a couple of months ago.....anyone know if they sold, and if so who wound up with them?

Gordon, good luck selling your rifles, I have no problem with anyone getting as much as someone is willing to pay for thier stuff, including Calfee, thats how it works.

Charlie

J Pappas
07-07-2009, 09:02 AM
James,
A serious question, what would a gun with a match record like Kirks be worth on the 2nd hand market??

Down here there is not much of a premium put on the price of winning guns, just curious.

Peter

The rifle is not for sale( not even to the third fax ). Kirk said he is having too much fun with it to sell it. Let's put it this way, $10,000 would not buy it ,right now.

gambler
07-07-2009, 10:21 AM
i've been gone from benchrest central about five years.....the bill calfee love hate relationship was sprouting back then...now it's a full blown tree!!

the man i have my own opinion about, the price of his guns are rediculous to me, but my friends think i'm nuts for owning an M class mercedes.....i wanted it, i like it and it does the job in style....the public can control prices , just simply
stop buying the product.....it would'nt take long for mercedes to get the idea
if their show rooms stayed full.
this last third fax only gun is probably the Best publicity Stunt ever pulled of on this site..when it should be the worst scandal....
this is turning into a soap opera....and as one guy says "is this site best served "
jmho

gordon gauge
07-07-2009, 02:21 PM
Gordon, with all due respect, I think you're off base on this one. We all know this is a money race, but like James says, the $3K gun can win just the same as the $11K gun. You liKe air guns and that's good, no money race there? Thanks, Douglas

I'm typically off base Douglas. But that 3k gun, and I quote a reliable source, could not be had right now for 10k. So there has been a quantum leap in the high end stuff.

And it does take about 2k for a top end air rifle, perhaps the same thing would happen if everybody sold their .22's and got into the airguns.

But it is a sellers market, just look at how few .22rf bench guns are in the classifieds. Man, I remember times when you had your choice of more than 50in the rimfire classifeds here.

A sellers market drives prices up, so I would expect not only the very top end to escalate, but for the top end to pull the good rifles up along with them.

Good? Bad? I choose the latter.......

J Pappas
07-07-2009, 02:31 PM
I'm typically off base Douglas. But that 3k gun, and I quote a reliable source, could not be had right now for 10k. So there has been a quantum leap in the high end stuff.

And it does take about 2k for a top end air rifle, perhaps the same thing would happen if everybody sold their .22's and got into the airguns.

But it is a sellers market, just look at how few .22rf bench guns are in the classifieds. Man, I remember times when you had your choice of more than 50in the rimfire classifeds here.

A sellers market drives prices up, so I would expect not only the very top end to escalate, but for the top end to pull the good rifles up along with them.

Good? Bad? I choose the latter.......

Alot of us have heard this before. Larry Brown shut down BR-50 for rimfires and went to air rifles only. The rimfire people went to ARA and IR 50/50 and Larry kept the 20 people that wanted to shoot air rifles. I don't think most rimfire shooters are interested in air rifles. Just my opinion.

gordon gauge
07-07-2009, 03:53 PM
Good Lord, James, how did you understand my post to be advocating Airguns over .22 rimfire?

And implying that I am somehow like Larry Brown, well that is just mean. :D

J Pappas
07-07-2009, 04:09 PM
Good Lord, James, how did you understand my post to be advocating Airguns over .22 rimfire?

And implying that I am somehow like Larry Brown, well that is just mean. :D

Quote Gordon "The future is airguns". Gordon, I would never call anyone Larry Brown.

Beau
07-07-2009, 04:26 PM
Good Lord, James, how did you understand my post to be advocating Airguns over .22 rimfire?

And implying that I am somehow like Larry Brown, well that is just mean.

"As the future is airguns, looks like my Turbo and Annie may have to go."

"The camaraderie, the understanding of an even playing field, the fun, seems to be gone at the upper levels of the game. So be it, maybe that is the way the guys at the top want to play"

"But my focus is on Airguns now, cause I can get the same pellets that you can. Kind of eliminates that East Coast advantage.:D

Where would anybody get the idea you're promoting airguns over rimfire?

gordon gauge
07-07-2009, 05:37 PM
Had no idea that you guys were sooo sensitive on that idea. The main thrust of the thread was that there are no rimfire guns for sale in the classifieds (ok, ok, there are 7). When supply drops and demand remains basically the same, the prices go up. And apparently they can go way up.

I, me personnally, have changed my focus to Airguns. I also think that eventually the powder burners will be either legislated, or priced into extinction. Until that time I too will enjoy shooting .22 benchrest. That is my opinion. I am not trying to convince anyone else to share my feelings. I really could not care less if you do or don't, cause that is your opinion and you all have a God given right to 'em. That, also, is my opinion.

So perhaps we can just let the airgun thing fade away, and somebody tell me why there are 7 guns for sale instead of 50? And I see one that the owner is asking $5,000 for, is that a harbinger of things to come?

p.s. nice job of cut and paste Beau, you can make a sound bite and take things out of context like a veteran politico...;)

Beau
07-07-2009, 06:09 PM
Thanks Gordon. You're not so bad at the politico game yourself; "I said that but it was taken out of context and was not what I meant to say."

tim
07-07-2009, 07:21 PM
Had no idea that you guys were sooo sensitive on that idea. The main thrust of the thread was that there are no rimfire guns for sale in the classifieds (ok, ok, there are 7). When supply drops and demand remains basically the same, the prices go up. And apparently they can go way up.

I, me personnally, have changed my focus to Airguns. I also think that eventually the powder burners will be either legislated, or priced into extinction. Until that time I too will enjoy shooting .22 benchrest. That is my opinion. I am not trying to convince anyone else to share my feelings. I really could not care less if you do or don't, cause that is your opinion and you all have a God given right to 'em. That, also, is my opinion.

So perhaps we can just let the airgun thing fade away, and somebody tell me why there are 7 guns for sale instead of 50? And I see one that the owner is asking $5,000 for, is that a harbinger of things to come?

p.s. nice job of cut and paste Beau, you can make a sound bite and take things out of context like a veteran politico...;)

Simple truth is that usually when a good gun for .22 BR comes up for sale it's as often as not priced reasonably and sells. There have, as long as I've been here, fewer .22's than PPC's or 6BR's, and I've bought/sold about 1/2 dozen guns here, both .22's and PPC's.

ProneShooter
07-07-2009, 07:54 PM
I'm not so certain that everyone can get the same pellets. I test for 16 different air-rifles and find that most only shoot one hole groups with a few lots of the best pellets available. Pellets have followed .22 with prices increasing every season.

gordon gauge
07-07-2009, 08:13 PM
"Simple truth is that usually when a good gun for .22 BR comes up for sale it's as often as not priced reasonably and sells. There have, as long as I've been here, fewer .22's than PPC's or 6BR's, and I've bought/sold about 1/2 dozen guns here, both .22's and PPC's. "


But I don't remember a time when there was only 1/10th as many rimfires as centerfires.

Those 2 Suhls (one pending, one for sale) look(ed) like pretty good deals. So if you look diligently, there are still .22 rimfires for under $2,000 that have good components and gifted hands putting them together/tuning them.

It will be interesting to see where prices go if this current trend of supply and demand persists.

I put my money on the "going up" bet.

gordon gauge
07-07-2009, 08:17 PM
I'm not so certain that everyone can get the same pellets. I test for 16 different air-rifles and find that most only shoot one hole groups with a few lots of the best pellets available. Pellets have followed .22 with prices increasing every season.


Uh, yeah. But that is like saying the price of scooters has followed Mercedes and BMW. The price difference between top end pellets and top end rimfire ammo is enormous, if not bigger.

Dang ProneShooter, that is a heck of a lot of testing. When do you sleep...;)

Madrox
07-07-2009, 09:23 PM
The cost of used guns going up? Probably. They will keep pace with everything else and that's probably a good thing. But the cost of parts for a new one is around $2200, more if you count the scope. So the base price for a new BR rifle will probably be around $2800 sans scope. It's expensive game unless you ever bought a full set of golf clubs that obsolete the next year. Of course, if it has Calfee on it and can be verified, it will probably bring more. Worth it? Who knows, but that's the way it is. By the way, anybody ever see or suspect a counterfeit Calfee rifle. Seems to me the only thing that proves it is that little stamped "Calfee" on the barrel. I wonder if Calfee has any way that he can identify one other than by serial number. I also wonder if he can tell if one of his rifles has been worked on by somebody else? As a matter of fact, can any gunsmith tell you that?

Jody
07-07-2009, 09:38 PM
I also wonder if he can tell if one of his rifles has been worked on by somebody else?

Yes