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Hal
06-25-2009, 03:12 PM
I have read a little about the Bill Myers 22 rim fire action that is in the works and was wondering if anyone has a picture of one.
Or maybe someone can point me to a site that has a picture of one.

Hal

Hal
06-25-2009, 05:49 PM
Fred

I guess I don't see it that way.

There is no reason a gun has to be ugly to shoot.

But hey... each to their own..

Hal

Benchrester
06-25-2009, 06:00 PM
if thas action prove to be great, and it will probably be a action that uses all of Bill Calfee's action ideas so it probably will, and Calfee builds a "killer" rafle from it wont that be fun? that would keep this place lit for a year or better.

steve b.
06-25-2009, 06:02 PM
Are you suggesting that Myers built a rifle with Calfee specs / design input..?

I don't know.?

Is it true that Harrell's is gonna build them?

s.

Benchrester
06-25-2009, 06:06 PM
just thinking out loug. Dont know why he wouldnt. pretty much copeis Calfee on everythi.

I heard harrel would make them but dont know.

Butch Lambert
06-25-2009, 07:07 PM
Benchrester, do you have spell check? I'm trying to interpret your post and as near as I can tell, you think Calfee has a lot to learn from Mr Myers. Seems Myers is getting an action built and Mr. C is using somebody else receiver. Is that what you are trying to say?
Butch

J Pappas
06-25-2009, 07:20 PM
just thinking out loug. Dont know why he wouldnt. pretty much copeis Calfee on everythi.

I heard harrel would make them but dont know.

As far as I know Friend Bill Calfee has never built an action.

Bill Myers
06-25-2009, 07:20 PM
Lets set the record straight on my action,Bill Calfee has no input what so.ever The action design is all mine,no input fron anyone,except for the shooters that have shot the finshed rifle,Harrells will be building them with my help,The action will take a Jewell trigger,or a 5018 anschutz,you need to specify what trigger you desire when ordering because there are different sears for each trigger,Anschutz is 90 degrees & jewell is angled.I let Danny Killough & Darrell Barnes shoot the rifle at Kettlefoot & both ordered one.. BILL

Benchrester
06-25-2009, 08:26 PM
Benchrester, do you have spell check? I'm trying to interpret your post and as near as I can tell, you think Calfee has a lot to learn from Mr Myers. Seems Myers is getting an action built and Mr. C is using somebody else receiver. Is that what you are trying to say?
Butch

Have spell check but only two fingers on one hand and three on the ohter and bad arthritis in those. Can type and spell as well as understand most of you geniuses but soetimes the typing just not worth the trouble. You understand of course. This post, which only has a few bluders has taken a while to type.

Often an observer and seldom a shooter. Seems Myers copies Calfee on ideas. Calfee mya not have an action built or he may have a prototype, but his ideas are well published. Speculation but it will be interetin to see.

Fred K
06-25-2009, 08:32 PM
Myers don't copy ideas he makes them !
Fred K

J Pappas
06-25-2009, 08:37 PM
Have spell check but only two fingers on one hand and three on the ohter and bad arthritis in those. Can type and spell as well as understand most of you geniuses but soetimes the typing just not worth the trouble. You understand of course. This post, which only has a few bluders has taken a while to type.

Often an observer and seldom a shooter. Seems Myers copies Calfee on ideas. Calfee mya not have an action built or he may have a prototype, but his ideas are well published. Speculation but it will be interetin to see.

I hate to break this to you but Bill Myers built his own actions long before Bill Calfee published any of his ideas on actions.

Benchrester
06-25-2009, 08:49 PM
I hate to break this to you but Bill Myers built his own actions long before Bill Calfee published any of his ideas on actions.

don't really care. remains to be seen if BM incorps BC ideas. maybe not. but first clafee has spec rifles then meyers has spec rifles. Cafee gets his own Shilen profiel then Myers. Calfee comes outwith the front ring idea, myers follows with a $40 short base. F comical what it is. ]

The really great thing is when Calfee builds big winner with Myeres action. Who gets the credit then? Light up this board for monts. Cant wait.

Kent Owens
06-25-2009, 08:53 PM
I looked over one of Bill Myer's actions at the Kettlefoot PSL match, just kinda glanced at it, as Pa Kettle used to say. Very nice action. It has 2 action screws located in front of the trigger like an Anschutz(looked to be 1/4X28 TPI). Action diameter is a bit bigger than an Aschutz, not enough to be noticeable, (threaded 3/4X16 TPI). Features drop in loading, and the part I liked is the bolt and firing pin design which should make it have excellent ignition. Available as a 6 oclock or 12 oclock firing pin on order. It has a front firing pin stop in the front of the bolt. Precision made from stainless steel, and will accept either an ANschutz trigger using a firing pin with a 90 degree sear or a Jewell trigger using and angled sear. They should fly off the shelves when they're made. Looks to be an excellent product. Bill has made many actions in the past, and won matches with them. He knows what he's doing, for sure.

Madrox
06-25-2009, 09:05 PM
So when is this bad boy gonna be available to the general shooting public? What's the projected price?

Douglas
06-26-2009, 02:46 PM
Just wondering, just asking, with all that has been profused about 90 sear, would anyone even order if uses Jewell trigger? Same with 6/12 o'clock fp? Just wondering why the options if most folks feel the 90 and 6 o'clock is best. Thanks, Douglas

Or maybe most folks don't?

Brad Niese
06-26-2009, 08:39 PM
Mr. Myers, I was wondering what the firing pin was like. Is it a light weight fast strike firing pin like the Hall or is a heavy one like the Win 52, Turbo, and 40x.
Thank you,
Brad Niese

40EZXS
06-26-2009, 08:56 PM
FP question is a good one. A photo would be nice.
Action sounds like it is well thought out.
:)

Butch Lambert
06-27-2009, 02:22 PM
First off, Bill Calfee is a good rimfire gunsmith. Some of you need to rethink some of Bill C's original ideas. Bill Myers was the gentleman that worked with Ed Shilen on the current hot barrels. Mr. C happen to get a couple good ones and was smart enough to put them on good shooters rifles. I believe the air rifle guys predated Mr. C on the scope mount method. Several rifles have had the 90deg. sear. Tuners are an old idea and James Pappas made the Knoodle popular. Sames as the 6& or12 o'clock firing pin, it has been already done. Aren't most rifles that are built spec rifles? Does Remington custom build each rifle for a particular person?
There is nothing wrong with a person recognizing a great idea and incorporating it in their package. I think that is Bill C's expertise, he sees something promising and uses it in his rifles. I think he builds great rifles, Butt!!
I think that most of us are buddies regardless of who builds the rifles, it is just hard to recognize it on the internet. We argue the same things at the matches as we have a cold brew and have a great time.
Butch
Butch

Madrox
06-27-2009, 05:42 PM
Some of you need to rethink some of Bill C's original ideas. Bill Myers was the gentleman that worked with Ed Shilen on the current hot barrels.

Butch,

It's not that I don't believe you on this but I've heard it both ways. Since it seems Bill C had the first of the hot Shilen barrels and was surely the first to effectively exploit them (remember Bill M was still installing mainly Benchmarks when Bill C began to use Shilen). So there is basis for believing that Bill C worked with Shilen if anybody did. Not saying he did, or even that Bill M did for that matter. It could have been Ed Shilen simply with a whim and an idea of his own. I sure would like to hear it from Ed Shilen since he is probably the only one who knows for sure. It's a piece of the history of this game. But I guess that won't happen. Too bad.

Boer bok
06-27-2009, 05:58 PM
Can anyone (bill myers) tell me anything about myers adj. Paddle
flags???? He was talking to dan killough about them at last psl
match. Help!!!!!!!!
Boer

Bill Myers
06-27-2009, 07:32 PM
Here is what i know to be factual about the Shilen Barrels,In May of 2008,I spent the better part of the day in Shilens shop,Ed was not there ,but Wade was & he had me set down with the man who did most of the barrel lapping,I made him some sketches of what i wanted in the bore dimentions & amount of taper towards the muxzzle,They told me that they would try & make a Barrel to my specs,When i got back from Texas ,Ed shipped me the First barrel for my inspection,That barrel is on Mrs Killoughs rifle,I then ordered more barrels & Ed Told me that they would be made to my spec,or send them back,I have received over 40 barrels & all of them are correct,I do not know what every body else is getting,I will ask Ed,But mine were the first ones to my Dimensions & they all are great Barrels,Thanks Shilen. BILL

Madrox
06-27-2009, 07:56 PM
Good enough explanation for me. BC was installing them before May. Sounds like Ed Shilen did the smart thing and got input from more than one source.

xpfuzz
06-27-2009, 09:48 PM
Well I know you guys know way more than me on these rimfires as I am mainly an Xp100 shooter..If it`s got anything to do with them and long range shootin I could probably tell ya,,but the rimfires ,,no..SO what the heck is the difference between a (SPEC) rifle and one that you have someone just build for ya???? If you buy a custom action and good barrel and have a quality smith put it together,,isn`t it the same??? Seems like a lot of VOODOO here to me..

Madrox
06-27-2009, 09:59 PM
Think it really becomes the same. "Spec" as generally used means speculation such as Spec house. Which means somebody builds a house and take a risk on making a profit. As far as "SPEC" rifles go, I've heard it to be "specualtion", which makes some sense and "specification" which really makes none. So, let's say BC builds a "Spec" rifle. One would beleive he is simply looking to make a profit on the rifle and does not know who will own it, but really they're sold in advance which takes the "spec" out of it and makes them contract guns. I suppose the same goes for Bill Myers but his seem to be more "spec" because they are not always sold in advance. As far as "spec" meaning specification I don't think it does. They're the same as all other rifles and have no custom specifcatations. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Matter of sematics.

xpfuzz
06-27-2009, 10:22 PM
Sounds like yer speculating a lot..:D

Madrox
06-28-2009, 06:37 AM
Lynn,

People may have decided that "SPEC" has something to do with specification. It doesn't except the builder of whatever it may be is hoping somebody will buy it and he/she can make a profit and obviously builds to specifications they hope will attract a buyer. Same as speculating in the stock market. If it is already sold, there is no longer a speculation. No risk, no speculation. Look up definition of a spec house.

Fatback
06-30-2009, 07:51 AM
Lets call a duck a duck! There is nothing "Spec" about anything that is sold in advance of building! If you choose who you are going to sell it to before you build it it is a "contract rifle, house or what ever you may build." If you choose to share that business info with the rest of us thats ok but I really don't see the point of that information being of much use to any other parties other than the buyer and the seller.

pickles
07-02-2009, 02:07 PM
Mr. Myers

Could you please post photo's of the Myers rimfire action?? And of the completed action as built by yourself. That is what started this post, a request for photo's and web address where they could be seen.
Thank you for setting the record straight on the action and that it is yours and yours alone.
What is the cost of your action and time lag to receive one???


Thank you very much for your time.

Semper fi
pickles

gambler
07-02-2009, 06:34 PM
meyers and his guns speak for themselves , he does'nt have someone else
talk for him..or cut and paste.

Madrox
07-03-2009, 12:10 PM
Everything must go. But this can stay.

tim
07-03-2009, 05:40 PM
Butch
In his post Bill Myers said he worked with Ed Shilen on some barrels but didn't say anything more.Do you know if Bill Calfee worked with Ed Shilen on some barrels as well? If so who contacted who?
Waterboy aka Lynn

Lynn, take that reading for understanding refresher course. Myers said he specified some bore dimensions and taper specs and got what he wanted, no more no less.

tim
07-03-2009, 09:10 PM
Lynn, with all due respect, you could quote the guy who had coffee with the guy that used to know Butch but Mr. Myers told you directly what he wanted and what he got. It doesen't seem that tough to grasp.
I'm gonna take a wild guess here and assume most of the Shilen .22 barrels out there probably had nothing to due with Butch, Ya think?

Madrox
07-03-2009, 09:37 PM
Tim
I quoted Butch Lambert who used to be "The Barrel Man" selling Shilen barrels.I posted the question to him because as The Barrel Man he probaly knows the Shilens better than most posters here.
I notice you didn't respond to his post but did to mine is this the first time you have seen the post?
Waterboy aka Lynn

Lynn,

I'm gonna write this and it will sound somewhat elusive and mystical I guess; however, it points to what you ask. But I'm sure you remember history in school and how they made you remember dates. It was a bitch and we all wondered who cared. Turns out dates are important.

Now couple the dates with the actual documentation that floats around, and it's not too hard to see that Mr. Myers had little if anything to do with the current Shilen craze. As a matter of fact, he personally makes a statement that puts him out of the time line, which began in late 2007 (Kirk Gaston once made mention that he ordered his barrel in Jan or Feb of 2008 and that's on this forum if you bother to look). Now, Bill Myers may have 8worked with Shilen after the craze began to get what HE wanted but that has little to do with the current Shilen craze. That does not say that anybody other than Ed Shilen or the Shilen management steered them in the right direction. However, the rifle that started it all was shot in 2007 and it's easy to find who fit that barrel. Fitting a barrel; however, is not the same as making one. But Myers did not develop the suddenly hot shooting Shilen barrel. I want to be specific that I am not criticizing anybody; just stating a fact. The Shilen barrels that Myers is currently using on his rifles may in fact be made to his specifications, but the bandwagon was already on the road.

Butch Lambert
07-04-2009, 09:38 AM
I think we need to remember that Ed Shilen is actually responsible for the hot barrels. Did he have good input from Bill Meyers or Bill C, yes, he did. I guess this part needs to be put to bed.
Butch

Fred J
07-04-2009, 10:25 AM
Shilen Barrels have been used for over forty years, now that has to tell you something.

J Pappas
07-04-2009, 10:48 AM
I think we need to remember that Ed Shilen is actually responsible for the hot barrels. Did he have good input from Bill Meyers or Bill C, yes, he did. I guess this part needs to be put to bed.
Butch

Ed Shilen is a very humble person. He also is a very polite listener. I think Ed did call Calfee for his thoughts on barrels. I am sure he listened to what Calfee had to say about barrels. Ed also talked to the top shooters and rifle builders in this area about their opinions about barrels. He went to the ARA nationals and talked to quite a few gunsmiths about barrels. But at the end of the day, Ed BUILDS what he thinks will shoot best. Ed has been shooting ARA here in Tx for 4 years now. IN this time he has built and tested many barrels. He has also had others test new barrels he made. Some have been great shooters but they did not get much national attention. THey did get OUR attention, though. Also, Ed was designing and hand building the equiptment to build barrels when Calfee was in grade school. ED bows up if you suggest Calfee is responsible for the barrels they are now making. ED did send 2 barrels to Calfee and to Bill's credit, he put them in the hands of a couple of good shooters.

Beau
07-04-2009, 10:51 AM
Ed Shilen is a very humble person. He also is a very polite listener. I think Ed did call Calfee for his thoughts on barrels. I am sure he listened to what Calfee had to say about barrels. Ed also talked to the top shooters and rifle builders in this area about their opinions about barrels. He went to the ARA nationals and talked to quite a few gunsmiths about barrels. But at the end of the day, Ed BUILDS what he thinks will shoot best. Ed has been shooting ARA here in Tx for 4 years now. IN this time he has built and tested many barrels. He has also had others test new barrels he made. Some have been great shooters but they did not get much national attention. THey did get OUR attention, though. Also, Ed was designing and hand building the equiptment to build barrels when Calfee was in grade school. ED bows up if you suggest Calfee is responsible for the barrels they are now making. ED did send 2 barrels to Calfee and to Bill's credit, he put them in the hands of a couple of good shooters.

James,

I think that is very consistent with the version Bill Calfee will tell you. I agree with Butch, it's time to put this part to bed.

tim
07-04-2009, 11:33 PM
Madrox
Exactly my thoughts.I thought we were a year off but wanted to see what Butch had to say as he is or was in with the folks making the barrels.
I received a PM from Butch and all is well.

Tim
My question was posted to Butch as his post made it sound like Bill Calfee wasn't working with Shilen back in 2007 a full year before what Bill Myers put in his post.You didn't have a response to Butches post when he claimed Bill Myers was responsible for the hot barrels and Bill Calfee wasn't in the loop.I am glad that my posting a question to Butch has now sparked your interest in this thread.Maybe you can tell us more about these barrels or any differences between them so we don't order the wrong version?
Waterboy

I'm fully aware of the history and development of the current 4 groovers, I talked to both Bill C and Ed before I ordered one. Bill Myers made no references to anything other than time spent, request made, orders filled. Seemed pretty direct to me. At the end of the day, Ed Shilen's renewed interest in rimfire, his willingness to listen to several sources and his ability to produce a nice product are responsible for the nice product, no?

LASER
07-06-2009, 08:11 PM
As far as I know Friend Bill Calfee has never built an action.

rattleing around in my mind is the fact that Calfee and Stiller are colaborating on a rimfire action. Is this a figment of my immagination? Please keep in mind that I just spent a couple of months on pain killers recovering from surgery.....?
LASER

J Pappas
07-06-2009, 08:16 PM
rattleing around in my mind is the fact that Calfee and Stiller are colaborating on a rimfire action. Is this a figment of my immagination? Please keep in mind that I just spent a couple of months on pain killers recovering from surgery.....?
LASER

YES, Calfee and Stiller are not working together on ANYTHING.

stiller
07-07-2009, 06:48 AM
on an action a long time ago now. I talked with Calfee and included most all of his ideas on the design. Unfortunately due to time and business priorities, it is still only on the computer. I think Bill and most others including myself got tired of waiting on me. I have a 40X replica waiting on extractors. I apologize to the 4 people testing this for me as I told them they would have them in April, but am still waiting on extractors. I still would like them to run them when I get them finished. Sorry for not updating them. At some point in time I would like to get the BR action built that we worked on. If I only had more time. Same problem most of us have I guess. I have a guy coming in to fix my wire edms which are currently broke. The extractors will be coming out soon after that.

xpfuzz
07-08-2009, 06:57 PM
Hey Jerry,,when ya reckon you`ll get them babies rollin??? I got one on order and can`t wait...:D