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Donna Brown
05-30-2009, 05:06 PM
Kentucky State ARA, Congratulations Black Death!:):):)

Donna

Donna Brown
05-30-2009, 08:05 PM
Alan Bates/Black Death/Calfee! I just talked to Alan on the phone...Congrats again, Alan! Awesome Shooting! We look forward to seeing you and Judy in St. Louis!:):):)

Donna

Beau
05-30-2009, 08:32 PM
Should be able to see it.

Beau
05-30-2009, 09:11 PM
See if this helps.

Whistler
05-31-2009, 02:01 PM
Allen Bates

man it was TUFF !....WIND NEVER LET UP
Went down there thinking i knew how to shoot...I WAS WRONG :(
but had a good time with fine people !


George, I think I remember you using the statement on here before "The wind in your friend" Did you and your friend have a falling out?;)

J Pappas
05-31-2009, 06:49 PM
Black Death won? How about putting a human name to the winner.

Fred, anywhere in the country if you ask who won you get a persons name. In Calfee Country if you ask who won you get the name of the rifle. Congratulations Bill Calfee on another great victory for one of your rifles. You deserve a pat on the back.

J Pappas
05-31-2009, 09:36 PM
My mistake. At my age, I should have known better.

Fred, it must be the CRS. The last couple of years the trend has been, if you ask who a good shooter was in Texas you would get an answer like say Dan Killough. In Ark. someone would say Darrel Barnes. In Ok., Richard Gorham. In MO., Joe Besche, Brian Brant, Glen Townley , Donna Brown or Kirk Gaston. Ask in the north east and you would get more names than I can write down here. But ask down in the southeast and you would get names of rifles like "The Duke", "Carolina ?????", "Black Death', and ect. Kind of baffles me because the rifle needs a good shooter behind the trigger. But They don't seem to get the credit that Bill Calfee does. Almost seems like they pay Bill Calfee $6000.00 to $8000.00 to advertise for him and Bill don't have nothing to sell. GO FIGURE!!!!!!

Beau
06-01-2009, 07:23 AM
We forgot to take pictures, but I guess it got picked up by the AP or something. Here is Alan Bates with his trophies. This is actually from a Lake Cumberland fishing site.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg70/wsmallwood/IMG00025.jpg

Marfarkle
06-01-2009, 07:55 AM
Thanks for having us all down. It was a great shoot with a lot of challenging conditions. Foster how did you get all that wind down there in that seven mile deep holler?

Cabin Mike
06-01-2009, 09:43 AM
First, congratulations to Alan for a big win. You were so close to getting that 2500, it hurt me to watch the one skate out high with only 2 bulls left to shoot...You'll get it next time.

Beau & Foster, thanks for an excellent tournament. Everything went very smoothly and both of you kept up with all of the scoring which allowed us to get home a little earlier than anticipated. The Buckcreek range is a super facility. The shooting benches, equipment benches, roof structure, and lay of the land is second to none. Thanks for a great time.

"Big Dog"

Marfarkle
06-01-2009, 10:51 AM
Foster & Beau I really did think those Kentucky shaped plaques were cool. It would be neat if all the state matches had them then you could try to put together a big puzzle on the wall. I'm sure the wife would like that. Thanks again

Douglas
06-01-2009, 02:27 PM
Nice shirt!! Thanks, Douglas

J Pappas
06-01-2009, 03:52 PM
James
Times are a changing.You can make the transition a smooth one or fight it all the way.Either way Team Calfee still continues to win.
Waterboy

What happened at the last 2 PSL shoots? Same thing is probably going to happen at the last 2 PSL shoots, too.

J Pappas
06-01-2009, 04:48 PM
i was there.....it took talent to win !

What do you think i'm trying to say in my post? The shooter won not the rifle. George, read post 13, it says it all. And NO, I wasn't hacked, I put that heading there.

J Pappas
06-01-2009, 05:41 PM
i was not take'n a shot at you....:rolleyes:

George, you need to reread your post, I am saying the same thing you are. Lynn, who doesn't shoot rimfire and know less about rimfire than my daughter is the one you need to be talking to. He thinks that having a Calfee is the only way to win a rimfire match.

Beau
06-01-2009, 05:56 PM
Here's a picture of Black Death. Nice rifle he's holding there. I mean that's Alan Bates with Black Death. I understand he was very happy with the Kentucky shaped trophy. Reminds him of home I guess.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg70/wsmallwood/Blackdeath.jpg

Melvin Calliham
06-01-2009, 07:26 PM
I Have a question about Calfee rifles. Does he build rifles for anyone, or does he pick who he wants to have one of his rifles?? I know he calls them "spec" rifles, but exactly what does that mean??
It seems that if a person only builds guns for the best shooters, then, is it any wonder his rifles win matches??
I am asking these questions in all earnest. I'm not a RF competitor, just curious how he chooses to build a rifle for. Oh, and how many rifles does he build a year??
Thanks,
melvin Calliham

J Pappas
06-01-2009, 08:10 PM
reread your post
we only name the gun in the southeast not the man...... come on :rolleyes:

George, read post ONE in this thread. What does it say?

J Pappas
06-01-2009, 08:17 PM
what am i missing ?

George, Not my first post, the first post in this thread.

J Pappas
06-01-2009, 09:01 PM
are you kidd'n me.........

You are right George, you were there and knew who won. Since I wasn't there I read Ky. State champ, Black Death. You don't really think most of us knew who that was, do you? I'm pretty sure you were right about it took talent to win. I figure the shooter deserved the win and I'm pretty sure Allan is a very good shooter.

J Pappas
06-01-2009, 09:09 PM
I Have a question about Calfee rifles. Does he build rifles for anyone, or does he pick who he wants to have one of his rifles?? I know he calls them "spec" rifles, but exactly what does that mean??
It seems that if a person only builds guns for the best shooters, then, is it any wonder his rifles win matches??
I am asking these questions in all earnest. I'm not a RF competitor, just curious how he chooses to build a rifle for. Oh, and how many rifles does he build a year??
Thanks,
melvin Calliham

Melvin, You have figured out more in 11 posts than Lynn has in 1667 posts.

Beau
06-01-2009, 09:10 PM
I Have a question about Calfee rifles. Does he build rifles for anyone, or does he pick who he wants to have one of his rifles?? I know he calls them "spec" rifles, but exactly what does that mean??
It seems that if a person only builds guns for the best shooters, then, is it any wonder his rifles win matches??
I am asking these questions in all earnest. I'm not a RF competitor, just curious how he chooses to build a rifle for. Oh, and how many rifles does he build a year??
Thanks,
melvin Calliham

He's built three for me so that should answer the question about building only for the best shooters. "Spec" as I understand it, means he supplies everything and builds the rifle. The word, whether, he uses it this way or not, comes from speculation, such as "Spec" houses. Thing is Bill's "spec" rifles are usually sold far in advance of their build, so there is little speculation. You may have seen Bill use the words "Contract" rifles. That's where the client supplies the parts and Bill builds the rifle. I would think there is no difference in quality but the "Spec" guns have their own decoration and twists. I think Bill actually gives the name to the "Spec" rifle, but the owner may name a contract rifle such as mine which is named "Gingersnap". That's a whole different story but it came from a promise I made before I had an idea that I could actually get Bill to build a rifle for me.

I'm sure he may decline to build for some people or choose to build for certain people; however you look at it. But I think if you're serious, you could get one. They're not cheap by any means, but the demand still exceeds the supply.

As far as how many he builds a year. I think I could guess pretty close, but it would still be a guess. That's for Bill to disclose if he wishes.

I'm sure Bill will read this and I will correct anything I got wrong.

J Pappas
06-01-2009, 09:14 PM
Beau, the rumor mill has it that Shannon was testing the rifle that is being built for Tony Boyer. Want to comment on that?

Beau
06-01-2009, 09:24 PM
My understanding is that Shannon was testing the BOSS 1, but without the BOSS barrel because Bill had not obtained permission from the future owner to use that barrel. That's what I think but could be wrong.

Beau
06-01-2009, 09:35 PM
I Have a question about Calfee rifles. Does he build rifles for anyone, or does he pick who he wants to have one of his rifles?? I know he calls them "spec" rifles, but exactly what does that mean??
It seems that if a person only builds guns for the best shooters, then, is it any wonder his rifles win matches??
I am asking these questions in all earnest. I'm not a RF competitor, just curious how he chooses to build a rifle for. Oh, and how many rifles does he build a year??
Thanks,
melvin Calliham

Melvin,

I'll give you another perspective and you can take from it what you will. This is pretty much things that I have heard Bill say.


Bill Calfee will be the first to tell you that there's a half dozen rimfire benchrest gunsmiths that build much better rifles than he does.

Bill considers himself extremely lucky, because for some reason, which he can't explain, the absolute most talented rimfire benchrest shooters in the world, have chosen to shoot his rifles. He always says that God has blessed him with those talented shooters, and he tries his best to thank them every chance he gets, because without them, no one would know who Bill Calfee is.

A "SPEC" rifle is a "copyrighted" name for complete rifles that Bill builds, each one designed to be uniquely special and different, and each SPEC rifle is named, such as "Black Death", "Duke Of Earl", "Carolina Gold", "Merlin", "Tennessee Stud", etc. Bill incorporates a lot of his new concepts into these SPEC rifles.

Bill tries to make as few rifles each year as he can, and still eat.

jGEE
06-01-2009, 09:36 PM
This is starting to sound like a cheap novel, is there a limit as to how many get a 'turn with your girl friend before you get her home?
So you take your new girlfriend to the super shoot and hear snickers -then you start looking over your shoulder wondering how many done had her, lol joe:D:D:D

Butch Lambert
06-01-2009, 10:09 PM
Joe, You and James are spot on.
Butch

J Pappas
06-01-2009, 10:18 PM
Melvin
This is everything you need to know in a single post.
Waterboy

So Lynn, let me see, where does that leave Kirk Gaston, Darrel Barnes, Joe Besche, Jerry Graves, Bob Barnhart, Dan Killough, Glen Townley, David Kennimer, Fred Gould, Wendel Dean, Fred Sears and Joe Friedrich? I guess these are B grade shooters, huh?

J Pappas
06-01-2009, 10:21 PM
My understanding is that Shannon was testing the BOSS 1, but without the BOSS barrel because Bill had not obtained permission from the future owner to use that barrel. That's what I think but could be wrong.

I heard the stock said "test" not "Boss". You sure tap danced around that question.

lead head
06-02-2009, 06:20 AM
Well here we go again or are we already gone?
Larry

Beau
06-02-2009, 06:48 AM
I heard the stock said "test" not "Boss". You sure tap danced around that question.

James,

I can't dance. I never did see the gun. I was too busy with the match. I'm just going by what I was told.

cadillacjack
06-02-2009, 07:53 AM
Thanks for putting on a fine state shoot. Hope to get back and shoot there again. Good people + Good range + Good lunch = Great Shoot!!!
Thanks again Fred
P.S. Congratulations To all the winners.

Beau
06-02-2009, 08:19 AM
We were glad to have you Fred. It takes some committment to make the trip you did. It was nice finally talking to you.

Beau
06-02-2009, 08:23 AM
While we were glad to have all the shooters who showed up to support the tournament, I would like to mention one very special guest who I would have bet about anything would not have shown. Paul Hanlon aka pacecil was shooter number 32. Nobody can now say that he has neve shot a BR match. I think it was a rough start, but he showed that he is a quick study and was improving quickly.

Kent Owens
06-02-2009, 08:38 AM
Beau,
It's a special occasion any time you get a new shooter to show up for his first BR match. Seems like there's a lot more people quitting than starting. Congats to pacecil for showing up and participating. I'm sure he saw a lot of interesting things. Hopefully he will continue in the sport and have fun with it.
Congrats to all the winners! Looks like you had a great turnout.

J Pappas
06-02-2009, 09:36 AM
Paul, congratulation on your first rimfire br match. What did you think?

J Pappas
06-02-2009, 09:50 AM
donna is congratulating a friend. thay both know who thay are.

as for nameing rifles ..i think it's cool....it's like drag race'n Snake and the Mongoose ring a bell ?

Yes , it rings a bell. The Snake was Don Prudhome and the Mongoose was Tom McEwen. They were the drivers, not the car. Ring a bell? GET MY POINT?

J Pappas
06-02-2009, 11:47 AM
All I ever wanted was to find out who won the match. You were there, you knew who won and you know the rifles name. I guess the rest of us that don't know the names of the rifles are just SOL, huh?

J Pappas
06-02-2009, 12:24 PM
we beat this horse to death....:)
and i hope you got my point....you knew the drivers just by the name of the car.

No, I didn't get your point. No offense to Alan Bates but he is not as famous as Don or Tom. It was not the cars names, it was the drivers names.

Beau
06-02-2009, 01:14 PM
Why does the word "Calfee" or references to "Calfee" or even the guns he builds, create so much turmoil among the internet surfing public (at least this bunch)? I remember a movie Bill Murray starred in (I think it was "Where the Buffalo Roam"); he had a dog that he would simply yell "Nixon" and the dog would attack a replica of Nixon. That's about the reaction "Calfee" creates here. It's interesting to say the least. How many of you have your dog trained to attack on the word "Calfee)?

J Pappas
06-02-2009, 01:23 PM
Beau, it is interesting to me that when a Calfee rifle wins Bill Calfee gets the credit and the name of the shooter is an after thought or not even named. Any shooter shooter using a non Calfee gun in a match is named as the winner. Why is that?

jGEE
06-02-2009, 01:42 PM
Why does the word "Calfee" or references to "Calfee" or even the guns he builds, create so much turmoil among the internet surfing public (at least this bunch)? I remember a movie Bill Murray starred in (I think it was "Where the Buffalo Roam"); he had a dog that he would simply yell "Nixon" and the dog would attack a replica of Nixon. That's about the reaction "Calfee" creates here. It's interesting to say the least. How many of you have your dog trained to attack on the word "Calfee)?

The "calfee response" is the same as you get on any over hyped misrepresentation of facts be it guns, cars, politics -what ever.
There are enough lies and half truths on the net now, imagine if nobody ever corrected the facts what garbage would be on these sites, it would render the sites useless for facts.
The people that push child porn see no wrong in their ways -you cannot make them see the error of their thinking either, same applies to Bills deciples! the dispute will continue.... it's all good joe :D

Beau
06-02-2009, 02:10 PM
Beau, it is interesting to me that when a Calfee rifle wins Bill Calfee gets the credit and the name of the shooter is an after thought or not even named. Any shooter shooter using a non Calfee gun in a match is named as the winner. Why is that?

Here's something to consider James. I shot on Bench 4 Relay 3 and Kirk Gaston was on Bench 5 Relay 3. I believe if we had switched rifles every other match or every other bull for that matter, Kirk would still have beaten me. He's just better than I am and nobody can take that away from him.

If I had won the match I would not have said that "Gingersnap" won; I would have assumed that I won. However, I would have to give Bill Calfee a lot of the credit for building the gun. Same goes for Kirk. He has to give Gorham a lot of the credit for building the gun, but Kirk shot the targets. I can almost assure you that Gorham is happy with the way Kirk is shooting that gun.

I don't think people really give Calfee the credit for the match. I've shot against Alan Bates plenty of times and I would say Alan is a good shot. However, a lot of these guys who spend time around the top of the list did not do so until they got that Calfee gun. Will a Calfee gun make you a winner? No and Bill Calfee told me that in 1993 when I first approached him about building a gun. He said and I quote "you can't buy the win". But everybody wants to use what they consider the best whether it's in golf, basketball, racing or whatever.

I think using the name of the gun is a "Team Calfee" thing. Everybody in that circle knows who you are talking about. Donna Brown certainly knew who she was congratulating. She wasn't giving a match report.

J Pappas
06-02-2009, 03:55 PM
So,who was she congratulating, Bill Calfee or Alan Bates?

j.higdon
06-02-2009, 04:28 PM
So,who was she congratulating, Bill Calfee or Alan Bates?

Man, James , when that doctor worked on you he must have pumped you full of cracker/jack's, you crack me up.:D

J Pappas
06-02-2009, 04:48 PM
BOTH !!!
are you piss't cause Alen use's a FARLEY rest :confused: let it go man let it go!

Looks like you are the one that pissed, I just asked a question. All I ever wanted was to know who won the match. FARLEY REST? Why would I care what kind of rest he was using, I didn't even give a $hit what rifle he was using, just wanted to know who won.

Beau
06-02-2009, 04:53 PM
So,who was she congratulating, Bill Calfee or Alan Bates?

Well, you would have to ask her for sure but I believe she would have been congratulating Alan Bates.

J Pappas
06-02-2009, 05:15 PM
Well, you would have to ask her for sure but I believe she would have been congratulating Alan Bates.

Well good, if iI had been there Alan would have been the person I would have congratulated. He beat a very good field of shooters.

Lew
06-02-2009, 05:54 PM
By far one one of the more stupidest posts refering to Calfee and his rifles and the names. :confused:

J Pappas
06-02-2009, 06:18 PM
James
Most of the funny people were not Rimfire Shooters.Take a white pill and some water.

Today is june 2nd James and at last months match in the 10 possible finishing places I won 7 came in 2nd once and 3rd twice.The results are posted in the match results forum under the title Sloughhouse Benchrest Shooters Match 5.Two months ago at the Nationals I shot in relay 3 the first day and finished at 1:22 PM.On the third day of the match relay 3 finished at 11:30 AM in much better conditions.If you finished higher than I did you did well.My broken Nightforce scope is due back tomorrow june 3rd and I'll be practicing again this weekend.
Take another white tablet with some water this time and listen to your doctor.Not knowing which month it is or when a match was held are all indications you need to relax.
Maybe you can take a vacation and come out to California.
Waterboy

You knew I was talking about your Nationals, And you still have some good excuses.

Butch Lambert
06-02-2009, 07:13 PM
Waterbucket,
I guess I've been out of place. I didn't know that Lou was our President. He is to be commended for what he has done, but what has that have to do with the thread? Were you written up as the waterglass or as Lynn, the talented shooter. James is just pointing out that Alan should have the pat on the back as shooting a great match and not his rifle receiving all the credit. I ain't saying the Indiana Flash can't build a rifle, just give Alan credit.
Butch

jGEE
06-03-2009, 06:38 AM
mr lynn, thats pretty funny! Your post about mr james speaks volumes about your poor upbringing. You have made fun of mr james for being in the hospital for tripple bypass surgey, you have made fun of him being on meds, and you have made fun of his mind may be slipping..... Maybe that's fine on the left coast but the elderly and maybe thats all of us in this case, well it's polite here in Texas to let them be.

Mr Pappas post have not been directed at no one in particular, he was referring to how disrespectful the Calfeeites are to the shooting world and the people in it.

Now i don't know mr pappas personally but he dang sure don't need me gettin into his business -he has pinned a couple of you in this thread pretty good, i just hope there ain't nothing wrong with douglas. Mr. Lynn you have been hitting below the belt for a long time in this thread, it does reflect on your Pops. just sayin joe :)

Beau
06-03-2009, 07:36 AM
[QUOTE=jGEE;509136 you have made fun of him being on meds, and you have made fun of his mind may be slipping..... Maybe that's fine on the left coast but the elderly and maybe thats all of us in this case, well it's polite here in Texas to let them be.

Mr Pappas post have not been directed at no one in particular, he was referring to how disrespectful the Calfeeites are to the shooting world and the people in it.

[/QUOTE]

jGEE, I think you were trying to defend James, but I'm not so sure he would appreciate your post. I don't think his mind is slipping or that he is "elderly". You make it sound like he's catatonic and drooling.

Could you please define "Calfeeite" and tell me how they are disrespectful to the shooting world and the people in it?

jGEE
06-03-2009, 08:08 AM
Mr Lynn your a great guy so is mr Pappas. I like everyone that i have encountered here at Benchrest Central. Everyday there are differences of opinion on here, sometimes it does get personnel. My disappointments are my fault for setting just a little too high of expectations for this site. You cannot get away from the fact we're all people.

Even though everyone here shoots targets -guns are an instrument of death, for animal and human. It just seems gun forums should be held at just a bit higher of a standard than a car site or wrestling site. The gun owner image needs to be improved before we loose out ownership rites. I think eveyone here is a great representative for the gun owners, can we improve our image? maybe. When we loose out rite to own guns we will be blaming everyone else but the real cause will be us.

6 pages of insults to me is just a bit too long. Some of Bill's supporters are his worst enemy's, not purposely but unknowingly. To me you guys are loosing the Bill C. Public Relations war. When i first got on this site Bill was my hero, but it has gone way down hill, partly because of Bill partly because of his arrogant supporters. You guys have shoved Bill up my a z z so far i can smell gun smoke. You Calfeeites do your "tap dance" at the expense of other great 'Smith's. It is embarrassing how you guys treat others in the shooting community that have equal and maybe better skills than BC.

Bill supporters are probably lucky Mr. Boyer don't know how you Calfeeites are seen by a lot of people in the shooting world - my opinion your a small group disrespecting our community, if he did i doubt he would ever lay that new rifle in a competition rest.

Mr Beau, straight up answer no offense meant to anyone -you asked -my definition of a calfeeite is an Over zealous snob. No biggie, lot of snobs in this world, they have the right to their opinions just like everyone else. I guess beating up on each other is a form of morbid entertainment, heck i been reading this thread from the start!

This is a perfect example of the typical Calfee thread, nothing but drivel, just like his supporters like it! If you didn't like drivel why do i read it over and over and over in every Calfee post? You supporters have the throttle, too bad your on a one way track -i guess you just can't help the direction every Calfee thread goes.

just a view from the cheap seats... just sayin- joe:)

brad541thb
06-03-2009, 08:13 AM
I have a good suggestion and I am going to hold each party up to their part to do it. Let's let bye-gones be bye-gones. The water that went under the bridge has long been downstream. You can't bring it back. So let's look to the bright future without looking back to only bring up what upset us in our past. ;)

Bickering back and forth like this is not doing anyone any good or contributing to this site.

Let's all get along.

Thanks in advance.

Brad

Kent Owens
06-03-2009, 10:24 AM
Knapper,
Your's is one of the best posts in the thread! I know a few of the folks you spoke of and I'm sure you had a good time. I think some folks are presently suprised on how welcome new shooters are to the game and the lengths people will go to to help them get started. I always tell folks to come to a match and see how it is for themselves. I have never experienced any of the bickering that sometimes goes on the forum at a match. I'm afraid sometimes folks read one of the bickering threads on the forum and get turned off even going to see a match. After all, folks do like to read threads for entertainment where there is a lot of bickering going on. Just look at teh hits on this thread! I have a lot of friends who shoot rifles made by Mr. Calfee, and a lot of friends who don't. All of them are fine folks. Mr. Calfee does build a fine rifle, in my opinion.

I guess my point to the whole post is--yeah I guess there should be a point, is this. If you're a fellow wanting to get into shooting rimfire BR, pay no attention to the threads where folks are argueing and bickering and go to a match and meet the folks in person.
If I offended anyone, please accept my apologies in advance.
Knapper, glad you attended your first match! We need more folks in the game.

Beau
06-03-2009, 10:29 AM
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6 pages of insults to me is just a bit too long. Some of Bill's supporters are his worst enemy's, not purposely but unknowingly. To me you guys are loosing the Bill C. Public Relations war. When i first got on this site Bill was my hero, but it has gone way down hill, partly because of Bill partly because of his arrogant supporters. You guys have shoved Bill up my a z z so far i can smell gun smoke. You Calfeeites do your "tap dance" at the expense of other great 'Smith's. It is embarrassing how you guys treat others in the shooting community that have equal and maybe better skills than BC.

Bill supporters are probably lucky Mr. Boyer don't know how you Calfeeites are seen by a lot of people in the shooting world - my opinion your a small group disrespecting our community, if he did i doubt he would ever lay that new rifle in a competition rest.



Okay jGEE, in my opinion you are out of line and totally wrong in your assumptions. First of all this thread started as a post from on friend to another. Both knew what was being said and understood one another. It seemed like a good place for match results and I put them on the thread. My mistake. However, this thread was not started or initiated by Bill Calfee to promote himself. Trust me, he needs no promotion to sell his rifles or his services. There is no Bill Calfee public relations war. He could never be mentioned on this forum again and would do just fine selling his rifles and services.

The insults are between a group of individuals and seem to be par for the course for an internet forum. Not just this one. There's a lot of communication lost when no facial expression can be seen and a lot of things are taken the wrong way. Just the way it is. If it bothers you, don't read it. That's your right.

Calfeeites is an interesting word because I can't tell if you use it in the context of dominating Nazis or presecuted Israelites. However, I would contend there is no such thing. If someone read your comments about Calfeeites and assumed that you actually attended matches, they may also assume that there is a physical seperation of shooters into little gangs. Nothing could be further from the truth. You really need to attend a match.

Moreover, I don't understand the "tap dance" that is done at the expense of other gunsmiths. Bill Calfee will congratulate shooter's using his rifles. He's done that for years. There is nothing to stop another gunsmith from doing the same and, frankly, if they did I wouldn't blame them. It is a great verification of their work when someone wins with a gun they built. If it were me, I would be proud. Most choose not to congratulate shooters using their guns and I respect that. However, using your logic, you could come to the conclusion that they are too lazy or simply don't care. Again, I think that would be way off base.

I don't think you would find anybody using a Calfee rifle that would tell you that no other smith can build as good, or better rifle. A few that come to mind are Richard Gorham, Roger Brock, Gene Davis, and I'm sure there are others. I've seen guns built by each of these smiths clean house at matches and I have respect for their work. You can bet, however, that they have a following of shooters who would go to no other smith.

In conclusion (for that part), in case you didn't get it, your comments are off base.

As far as Mr. Boyer, I consider myself neither lucky nor unlucky if he chooses to, or not to, shoot rimfire with a Calfee rifle or any other rifle. That is his decision. I have no worship for the man and I'm sure he has none for me.

Gene Corvin
06-03-2009, 11:49 AM
Why not just cut out all this crap and go to a match and try to beat the best rifles and gunsmith instead of trying to win a war of words?
Gene

Beau
06-03-2009, 12:01 PM
Why not just cut out all this crap and go to a match and try to beat the best rifles and gunsmith instead of trying to win a war of words?
Gene

Well, cause you're hard to beat Gene. Haven't you heard that song about what you can be on the internet.

Beau
06-03-2009, 12:03 PM
Except I go to compete against the best shooters and the equipment or smith is never part of the equation.

Fred,

I would have to disagree with that. Otherwise, you could take any .22 and perform the same. The smith (even if it's a factory smith) and the equipment are part of the equation. Unless you're just shooting for the fun of it of course.

Gene Corvin
06-03-2009, 01:47 PM
Except I go to compete against the best shooters and the equipment or smith is never part of the equation.

I should have included the shooter but I'm still pitting my equipment and gunsmith against theirs.
Gene

Gene Corvin
06-03-2009, 01:51 PM
Well, cause you're hard to beat Gene. Haven't you heard that song about what you can be on the internet.

I wasn't too hard to beat last Sat.!
Haven't heard the song, hardly ever listen to radio. I guess I'm getting old.
Gene

Beau
06-03-2009, 03:05 PM
It seems that you and I have disagreed for years, but I still go to a match with that same thought in mine. Oh, BC also disagrees with me. Does it bother me? NO


We don't disagree on everything. We've had some common ground. Besides you're a worthy adversary.

DonMatzeder
06-03-2009, 03:14 PM
It always amazes me how we can be adversaries on the net and fellow competitors when shoulder to shoulder. I just wish we could keep the non competitors, both smiths and kibitzers out of the conversations.

Butch Lambert
06-03-2009, 03:17 PM
Don,
You would have to take it off the forum then.
Butch

J Pappas
06-03-2009, 09:05 PM
James
Its too late to start crying for forgiveness now.You have come on every Calfee related/mentioned thread with an axe too grind and this one was no exception.If you were interested in who won why are you still here 7 pages later? You viciously attack Calfee now you are attacking a Lady Shooter for how she posts.
I understand your problem with Bill but you chased him away from here already.You absolutely unequivacoly cannot let anything Calfee related go.The manner in which you attack him and anyone wanting to read his posts or posts about his ideas is downright frightening from a mental health point of view.
7 pages later you only wanted to know who won the match.This is one of the most disingenuous posts I have ever read.
Waterboy

Foregiveness, surley you jest. I chased Bill Calfee away? Well, He sure didn't go very far. Why don't you quote for me where I attacked Donna in this thread or shut up?

jGEE
06-03-2009, 11:10 PM
Mr. Lynn in my view it is you that is 100% wrong, just my view don't be offended. It seems i have stumbled into a long running fued. Mr lynn you add to and exaggerate mr James post. I can read and have a brain and can come to reasonable conclusions and you sir are twistin mr pappas remarks.

I see where James is coming from and it is an honorable position. Nowhere did he abuse/insult Ms Brown, you added that part. This thread is sorta shot up but not by no 1 person. Dick Chaney sees no wrong in torture, some people think it is wrong i doubt either side is about to change their views.

This whole deal started when mr james pointed out he though a win should go to the shooter, an honorable position that i and others agree with. This post could have been construed a bit insightful maybe to start a war, but well within the posting guidelines of this site. Same could be said for Beau's latest post congratulating the same shooter.

You keep poking at a bear and when he growls , mr Lynn you want to jump back in amazement asking what did i do, -look, it's a mean bear.... In my opinion You calfeeites are weird, BC is sick for allowing his attack dogs to continue with this hateful game... just saying again for about the 4th time.. an yes please tell me to shut up and mind my own business... i just wish i could... joe :)

Carp
06-03-2009, 11:33 PM
Alan Bates.....congrats on your KY State tournament win! You did good.....Friend Lynn... See Friend Lynn post.
Carp

Douglas
06-05-2009, 09:48 PM
Joe, thanks for inquiring about my health, I haven't been too good lately, which has resulted in mental depression, mostly feeling sorry for myself. But thanks to you and a few others, this thread has brightened my prospects for recovery, they say comedy is a wonderful therapy and I sure have a big smile on my face.

I don't like the term Calfeeite, I think it's too religious sounding, like from the old bible days.

Douglas
Calfeeteer

Beau
06-05-2009, 10:01 PM
This whole deal started when mr james pointed out he though a win should go to the shooter, an honorable position that i and others agree with. This post could have been construed a bit insightful maybe to start a war, but well within the posting guidelines of this site. Same could be said for Beau's latest post congratulating the same shooter.

You keep poking at a bear and when he growls , mr Lynn you want to jump back in amazement asking what did i do, -look, it's a mean bear.... In my opinion You calfeeites are weird, BC is sick for allowing his attack dogs to continue with this hateful game... just saying again for about the 4th time.. an yes please tell me to shut up and mind my own business... i just wish i could... joe :)

Joe,

This whole deal started when Donna Brown, without thought to feuding mouse gunning world, congratulated a friend. Nothing more, Nothing less. It would have been avoided if I, as match director, had made the post of the results first. That's not Donna's fault. She was not giving a match report. However, the match report used no nicknames, or aka's to my knowledge. Had I made the post first, I would have congratulated each shooter (top five and target winners) by name. It didn't happen that way, so big deal.

I still don't understand what you mean by BC "allowing his attack dogs to continue with this hateful game" unless you are in fact one of the attack dogs and you and BC have some type of plan. Now, I've got to go paint double lightning bolts on my rifle.

Beau
06-05-2009, 10:09 PM
Actually this would not have been avoided. It would have manifested somewhere no matter what.

J Pappas
06-05-2009, 10:22 PM
I realized later that Donna was congratulating a friend. I understand that now and I expressed that to Donna. I would never insult or attack Donna Brown. I have known Donna since the BR-50 days. She has always been one of the good shooters in rimfire br. Notice I did not say lady shooters but good shooters. As you say about some threads this one took on a life of its own.

jGEE
06-05-2009, 11:54 PM
Joe, thanks for inquiring about my health, I haven't been too good lately, which has resulted in mental depression, mostly feeling sorry for myself. But thanks to you and a few others, this thread has brightened my prospects for recovery, they say comedy is a wonderful therapy and I sure have a big smile on my face.

I don't like the term Calfeeite, I think it's too religious sounding, like from the old bible days.

Douglas
Calfeeteer

Mr Calfeeteer reading your post, you sound serious about your health issues. I don't think in the past we have agreed on everything, i won't hold that against you, lol. I do hope your health improves. Maybe i have missed them but i did notice i haven't seen any post from you. You gotta stick around for the next 10 years or so anyway, i'm gonna whup this rimfire thingie, i know you wouldn't want to miss it.

Try not to be depressed, when you get to feeling better let me know, maybe we can fight about calfee or something, lol.
take care, joe :)

Bulls-Eye
06-09-2009, 04:10 AM
I just found this thread and I wanted to thank everyone who had anything to do with the this match. As a new rimfire competitor this was my first match to ever shoot and I feel I sure picked a good one to start with because not only was the match an awesome experience and has me hooked for life, I also feel I probably met some of the best people in the sport at this match including everyone who put it on and all of the other competitors who shot in the match. I would like to give special thanks to the host and his wife for all of their incredible hospitality and I can assure you that you will not find any better people anywhere in the world than them. I was having some medical difficulties during the shoot and they both took care of me as if I was their own family and I will always be grateful to both of them for this and for making me feel so welcomed. I would also like to thank all of the wonderful folks who put it on because I now have two matches under my belt but I don't see how any could ever be any more fun or organized than this match. Finally, I would like to thank all of the other competitors who shot at the match and also took me under their wing and taught me more in one day than I could learn in a month on my own. There was not one shooter I talked to who was not willing to offer some help or advice or both and they were all so down to earth and nice, just as though they had known me for years. Also, thank you to everyone who constantly helped me unload, load and set up my gear during each rotation and for all of the other kindness and generousity you showed me throughout the match and even at the match the next day at Caldwell County. I feel I made some lifelong friends during this first match and because of this, I feel I will be addictied to rimfire shooting for many years to come. I have no doubt I could call anyone I met during this match and they would be willing to help me in any way possible. This is something you just don't find very often anymore. Thanks again to everyone for making my first match a very special event and one I will remember forever. I cannot wait to see all of my new friends who will be at the upcoming matches I will be shooting this weekend in IN and KY and I also look forward to making many new friends. This is a wonderful sport to be a part of because of all of the wonderful people involved.
Thanks again to everyone and see you all again soon...
~Bryant

J Pappas
06-09-2009, 09:00 AM
I just found this thread and I wanted to thank everyone who had anything to do with the this match. As a new rimfire competitor this was my first match to ever shoot and I feel I sure picked a good one to start with because not only was the match an awesome experience and has me hooked for life, I also feel I probably met some of the best people in the sport at this match including everyone who put it on and all of the other competitors who shot in the match. I would like to give special thanks to the host and his wife for all of their incredible hospitality and I can assure you that you will not find any better people anywhere in the world than them. I was having some medical difficulties during the shoot and they both took care of me as if I was their own family and I will always be grateful to both of them for this and for making me feel so welcomed. I would also like to thank all of the wonderful folks who put it on because I now have two matches under my belt but I don't see how any could ever be any more fun or organized than this match. Finally, I would like to thank all of the other competitors who shot at the match and also took me under their wing and taught me more in one day than I could learn in a month on my own. There was not one shooter I talked to who was not willing to offer some help or advice or both and they were all so down to earth and nice, just as though they had known me for years. Also, thank you to everyone who constantly helped me unload, load and set up my gear during each rotation and for all of the other kindness and generousity you showed me throughout the match and even at the match the next day at Caldwell County. I feel I made some lifelong friends during this first match and because of this, I feel I will be addictied to rimfire shooting for many years to come. I have no doubt I could call anyone I met during this match and they would be willing to help me in any way possible. This is something you just don't find very often anymore. Thanks again to everyone for making my first match a very special event and one I will remember forever. I cannot wait to see all of my new friends who will be at the upcoming matches I will be shooting this weekend in IN and KY and I also look forward to making many new friends. This is a wonderful sport to be a part of because of all of the wonderful people involved.
Thanks again to everyone and see you all again soon...
~Bryant

Bryant, did you get my PM? james Pappas?

Jackie Stogsdil
06-09-2009, 07:58 PM
Bryant
I am glad you had a good time and hope you can make it back soon. I may put the .30br down and pick up a rimfire this weekend. That should be interesting. Jackie

Bulls-Eye
06-09-2009, 10:00 PM
Bryant
I am glad you had a good time and hope you can make it back soon. I may put the .30br down and pick up a rimfire this weekend. That should be interesting. Jackie

Hey Jackie...thanks again and I will definitely be back again and have Sept. already marked on my 2009 travel schedule!

Don't put the .30BR up totally because I just talked to my builder tonight and he is supposed to have my 6.5-284 finished next week and maybe we can shoot some centerfire together too!

Thanks again!!!
Bryant

Jackie Stogsdil
06-10-2009, 06:30 AM
Just say when.