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donjfred
04-09-2009, 06:06 AM
SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2007

Scenario:
Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counsellors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario:
Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.


Scenario:
Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.

1957 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.


Scenario:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.


Scenario:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1957 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario:
Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario:
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1957 - Ants die.
2007- BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

Geo.OR
04-09-2009, 03:01 PM
"Lock-Down" -- a term used in schools as part of their "security protocol" -- is a term derived from prison operations. Don't get me started on the other parallels!

We used to spend a lot of our time in Jr. High crafts class, 1962, sharpening our pocket knives. I had a lockback w/ a 5" blade.

John Kielly
04-09-2009, 03:59 PM
Scenario:
Tommy bullies little Frank, taking his lunch.
1957 - A bunch of classmates take Tommy out back & pound the nasty out of him. Frank & Tommy discover they both are curling freaks & after graduating set up first rink in California.
2007 - Tommy gets special course in anger management, avoids mainstream classes, flunks & joins street gang. Frank is ostracised for finking on Tommy, accumulates an armoury & shoots up school

xringer
04-09-2009, 06:50 PM
So funny ,But so damm true :mad:

Bill Wynne
04-09-2009, 07:19 PM
I wish that were not true.

Glad I was graduated from high school in 1958.

Concho Bill

katokoch
04-09-2009, 07:39 PM
I wish that were not true.

Glad I was graduated from high school in 1958.

Concho Bill

Funny thing is, I graduated in 2007.

I can add to this. I'm not going to do the whole scenario deal, but when I was in school I got awfully curious about color case hardening (Doug Turnbull, if you're reading this- it's all your fault!) and wanted to try it. I talked to the shop teacher at my school and he got a little excited about it himself. We had a furnace that could get stuff up to heat and hold it, as well as welding equipment to make the proper equipment. Once I mentioned that I would want to try treating a trigger guard and buttplate he advised I asked the principal first. Principal shot it down because the parts were firearm-related. I reasoned that the rifle would stay at home and all that would remain at school would be a couple of funny-looking peices of steel. Didn't work. I don't even think he wanted me to try it with scrap peices after that.

I imagine back in 1957 the principal would want to watch us do it and I would be allowed to fit the parts to the stock in the school shop.

The trigger guard and buttplate are still in-the-white. This frustrates me.

chuck furniss
04-09-2009, 08:06 PM
This is a true story.I know because it was me.

Year 1958.
14 year old kid who likes to hunt with his uncle but has no way to get to his house 20 miles away.
Kid lives in Richmond,Va.
Kid gets on city bus with his Mossberg 20 ga.shotgun slung over his sholder and pockets bulging with ammo.
Driver ask if gun is loaded,kid says no sir as he hands the driver a wadded up 1 dollar bill.
The driver chews out the kid for not flatening out the bill before handing it to him.

Anyone care to speculate what would happen today.

Chuck

xringer
04-09-2009, 09:51 PM
I can remember that one of the first things I did in shop/ag class was make a great big bowie knife out of a car spring. Later I refinished and did some inlays on an old krag rifle stock- I brought the whole gun in to work on it. of course later I made an Exhaust cut out And traction bars for my 51 ford. I don't know if there is a statue of limitations on noise/emissions so I hope I have not incriminated myself this was 1963:D

Lynn
04-09-2009, 10:14 PM
In 1953 the Pheasant season opened on a thursday.The students would give the teacher there shotguns and she would put them in the broom closet.After class was over she would hand them out and they could go hunting.
The strange thing is this was California and the class was 50 miles north of San Francisco.
Lynn aka Waterboy

Bill Wynne
04-10-2009, 04:54 AM
People were different and times were different in the fifties. In my Jr. high a lot of the Mexican kids carried switch blade knives and taps on their shoes. There were a lot of fights on the playground but there was never any knife play. We didn't realize how much fun those kids could be.

When I was a senior in high school there was a knifing incident at the junior high and we were all shocked. The world in San Angelo, Texas changed that day.

Concho Bill

publius
04-10-2009, 08:39 AM
I graduated from a private school in Mississippi in 1990 and none of these would have held true then. when someone got a new gun we all went to see it during lunch break. did have the Jr. high principal tell us to put it up once but that was the extent of it. friend of mine even gave a demonstration speech in class on his AR-7. i did it on a compound bow. The rest of the things would have never happened. i don't think things have changed there all that much, you would probably get suspended for taking the gun out of your car but that would propably be the extent of it. Public school is another ball of wax.

speedpro
04-10-2009, 10:11 AM
In my childhood in the 50's my parents bought a new house in a neighborhood where all the homes had crank out glass panes and screen on entrydoors, I don't ever recall a breakin. some 20yrs., later most doors were solid core, and these last 20 years they've gone to steel and iron bars. I think that's "negative progression".
I also recall in shop class we had a choice of making either a "gunrack" :eek: or plastic salad fork and spoon set, it was easy to spot the liberals in class :D
Gun racks are also passay being relpaced by 15000lb security safe. What's happened to our country ?

jaybic
04-10-2009, 10:55 AM
It is kinda fun to stroll down memory lane.

I originally learned to reload in a high school class called "sportsmans biology" in 1984. We each reloaded 5 rounds of 30-06 and then were taken to the range to shoot them in the teachers own 700 bdl.

We also had a follow up class called "Environmental awareness" which was a continuation of the first class. We did taxidermy, survival kits, slept out in quinzee huts, and learned what you can and cannot eat. We were able to put shotguns in our locker and go hit a couple small pheasant sloughs during the school day if you could combine lunch with a study hall. It gave you 1 1/2 hours to try and knock down a few roosters if you were lucky.

Man, those really were the days, huh.

Jamie

huntinco
04-10-2009, 01:17 PM
Things have changed a LOT, and I'm only 34. I can remember during hunting season, taking my 270 Savage slung over my shoulder on the school bus!! I'd could walk down the hall and put it in my locker. No $hit!! I can also remember the principal leaning out of his office, and asking where we were going hunting after school, and if we had seen any bucks the day before. Now my daughter of 14 goes to the same school. There are video camera's everywhere, a full time police officer, and Mexican's that have gang ties!! In the elementary my son is told it's not cool to draw a picture of a gun. He had a Halloween parade and couldn't even bring his light saber to go with his costume, because it's a "weapon"....

Tom C.
04-10-2009, 02:58 PM
here the kids still get off the first day of deer season, the school administrators got tired of fighting it and seeing fake excuse slips. one year when i was in
high school they said anyone absent is being charged no excuses, a girl they
excused, it turned out she was the only one that got a deer the first day.

alinwa
04-10-2009, 10:29 PM
Ahhh Minndesoda....

I graduated with honors in 1980. Guns/knives were not only common in school, they were just not even thought of as any sort of issue. No one ever threatened anyone EVER with anything of his sort. I'd bring guns on the bus, to the school lockers, hunt my way home etc. I even blank-fired a muzzleloader (wadding, no ball) out the classroom window for a "demonstration speech." We made knives, gunparts etc...... teachers were involved and interested. One local teacher wore a 1911 always, of course his students loved him and felt safe around him :)

Out here in WA the schools still give an excused absence for Opening Day but knives of any sort are not allowed, schools are "gun-free zones."

Sad and scary really.....

al

jcwit
04-11-2009, 01:35 AM
Sad state of affairs what the public school system has become.

But we helped creat it as it is today because we allowed it to happen.

Freedom lost is freedom unknown to the next generation.

Mark K
04-11-2009, 06:51 AM
In the school where I taught, we actually competed with schools from across the country in postal matches in the mid 60's. Crosman Arms provided the rifles and ammo and we competed as a High School Rifle Club. We used .22 cal. CO2 target rifles and we competed @ 25', on sanctioned NRA targets and shot in the hall where the music offices were.

jaybic
04-11-2009, 07:15 AM
As per my previouse post, the HS that I graduated from in 1986 finally, just last year sold of its stable of 6 Rem 700 SPSs in .243 that they used for that "sportmans biology" class I took 25 years ago. Musta worn the barrel out of the teachers rifle.

They went on the shelf at a local gunshop for 350.00 a peace with scope and rings(junk). If I was right-handed I would have I would have bought 2 or 3 of them just for project rifles. Too bad that class had to die.

Jamie

TomD
04-11-2009, 07:18 AM
I grew up in metro Atlanta in the late 50's and early 60's. There was a rock quarry right beside what is now a major road in North Atlanta. A bunch of us kids would march down Roswell Road with our .22's to shoot at snakes in the lake in the bottom. That scene now at that location would have SWAT teams and CNN involved.

Roger T
04-11-2009, 07:27 PM
In the 70s (early) I rode my bike (sophmore year)to school rifle/shotgun cased tied to the handlebars.Principle kept in office. Junior/Senior year rifle/shotgun kept in locker (principle OK'd).2009 My boy writes a fantacy story about guns (in the story) and the wife and I get called for a conferance and a letter is put in his PERMANANT school file..........BTW AUSTIN MN. DOES NOT ALLOW FIREARM SAFTEY TO BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS , NOR ON SCHOOL PROPERTY. I took my Firearm Saftey class in a KINDERGARTEN CLASSROOM.