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John S
01-23-2009, 10:18 PM
What do some of you experts think?


"Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent upon whom the movie 'Munich' was based. He was Golda Meir's bodyguard -- she appointed him to track down and bring to justice the Palestinian terrorists who took the Israeli athletes hostage and killed them during the Munich Olympic Games.

In a lecture in New York City a few weeks ago, he shared information that EVERY American needs to know -- but that our government has not yet shared with us.

He predicted the London subway bombing on the Bill O'Reilly show on Fox News stating publicly that it would happen within a week. At the time, O'Reilly laughed and mocked him saying that in a week he wanted him back on the show. But, unfortunately, within a week the terrorist attack had occurred.

Juval Aviv gave intelligence (via what he had gathered in Israel and the Middle East) to the Bush Administration about 9/11 a month before it occurred. His report specifically said they would use planes as bombs and target high profile buildings and monuments. Congress has since hired him as a security consultant.

Now for his future predictions. He predicts the next terrorist attack on the U.S. will occur within the next few months.

Forget hijacking airplanes, because he says terrorists will NEVER try and hijack a plane again as they know the people onboard will never go down quietly again. Aviv believes our airport security is a joke -- that we have been reactionary rather than proactive in developing strategies that are truly effective.

For example:

1) Our airport technology is outdated. We look for metal, and the new explosives are made of plastic.

2) He talked about how some idiot tried to light his shoe on fire. Because of that, now everyone has to take off their shoes. A group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid explosives. Now we can't bring liquids on board. He says he's waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour liquid explosive on his underwear; at which point, security will have us all traveling naked! Every strategy we have is 'reactionary.'

3) We only focus on security when people are heading to the gates.

Aviv says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in the future, they will target busy times on the front end of the airport when/where people are checking in. It would be easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to watch their bags for a minute while they run to the restroom or get a drink, and then detonate the bags BEFORE security even gets involved. In Israel, security checks bags BEFORE people can even ENTER the airport.

Aviv says the next terrorist attack here in America is imminent and will involve suicide bombers and non-suicide bombers in places where large groups of people congregate. (i. e., Disneyland, Las Vegas casinos, big cities (New York, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.) and that it will also include shopping malls, subways in rush hour, train stations, etc., as well as rural America this time (Wyoming, Montana, etc.).

The attack will be characterized by simultaneous detonations around the country (terrorists like big impact), involving at least 5-8 cities, including rural areas.

Aviv says terrorists won't need to use suicide bombers in many of the larger cities, because at places like the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, they can simply valet park a car loaded with explosives and walk away.

Aviv says all of the above is well known in intelligence circles, but that our U. S. government does not want to 'alarm American citizens' with the facts.

The world is quickly going to become 'a different place', and issues like 'global warming' and political correctness will become totally irrelevant.

On an encouraging note, he says that Americans don't have to be concerned about being nuked. Aviv says the terrorists who want to destroy America will not use sophisticated weapons. They like to use suicide as a front-line approach. It's cheap, it's easy, it's effective; and they have an infinite abundance of young militants more than willing to 'meet their destiny'.

He also says the next level of terrorists, over which America should be most concerned, will not be coming from abroad. But will be, instead, 'homegrown' -- having attended and been educated in our own schools and universities right here in the U. S. He says to look for 'students' who frequently travel back and forth to the Middle East. These young terrorists will be most dangerous because they will know our language and will fully understand the habits of Americans; but that we Americans won't know/understand a thing about them.

Aviv says that, as a people, Americans are unaware and uneducated about the terroristic threats we will, inevitably, face. America still has only have a handful of Arabic and Farsi speaking people in our intelligence networks, and Aviv says it is critical that we change that fact SOON.

So, what can America do to protect itself?

From an intelligence perspective, Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for intelligence. We need to, instead, follow Israel's, Ireland's and England's hands-on examples of human intelligence, both from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust 'aware' citizens to help. We need to engage and educate ourselves as citizens; however, our U. S. government continues to treat us, its citizens, 'like babies'. Our government thinks we 'can't handle the truth' and are concerned that we'll panic if we understand the realities of terrorism. Aviv says this is a deadly mistake.

Aviv recently created/executed a security test for our Congress, by placing an empty briefcase in five well-traveled spots in five major cities. The results? Not one person called 911 or sought a policeman to check it out. In fact, in Chicago, someone tried to steal the briefcase!

In comparison, Aviv says that citizens of Israel are so well 'trained' that an unattended bag or package would be reported in seconds by citizen(s) who know to publicly shout, 'Unattended Bag!' The area would be quickly & calmly cleared by the citizens themselves. But, unfortunately, America hasn't been yet 'hurt enough' by terrorism for their government to fully understand the need to educate its citizens or for the government to understand that it's their citizens who are, inevitably, the best first-line of defense against terrorism.

Aviv also was concerned about the high number of children here in America who were in preschool and kindergarten after 9/11, who were 'lost' without parents being able to pick them up, and about ours schools that had no plan in place to best care for the students until parents could get there. (In New York City, this was days, in some cases!)

He stresses the importance of having a plan, that's agreed upon within your family, to respond to in the event of a terroristic emergency. He urges parents to contact their children's schools and demand that the schools, too, develop plans of actions, as they do in Israel.

Does your family know what to do if you can't contact one another by phone? Where would you gather in an emergency? He says we should all have a plan that is easy enough for even our youngest children to remember and follow.

Aviv says that the U. S. government has in force a plan that, in the event of another terrorist attack, will immediately cut-off EVERYONE's ability to use cell phones, blackberries, etc., as this is the preferred communication source used by terrorists and is often the way that their bombs are detonated.

How will you communicate with your loved ones in the event you cannot speak? You need to have a plan. "

Dennis Sorensen
01-23-2009, 10:57 PM
Have you ever used "snopes" when you get an email that sounds a little far out? Basically it is a FALSE story. You know, one of those internet stories we see so often.

Read about it here: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/juvalaviv.asp


However, some critics have expressed skepticism about Aviv's background, claiming that he has grossly exaggerated his "spymaster" credentials, as the Guardian maintained in a 2006 article about the film Munich: Our investigations show that Aviv never served in Mossad, or any Israeli intelligence organisation. He had failed basic training as an Israeli Defence Force commando, and his nearest approximation to spy work was as a lowly gate guard for the airline El Al in New York in the early 70s. The tale he had woven [in Vengeance] was apparently nothing more than a Walter Mitty fabrication. We also couldn't verify the claim that Mr. Aviv predicted the July 2005 London bombings on Fox News just one week before they occurred. Although Aviv was a frequent guest on American news programs in the years after the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks, our search of television news transcripts did not turn up any appearances by him on such programs between 5 November 2004 and the day after the London bombings (8 July 2005). More important, though, the above-quoted predictions Aviv made about terrorists hitting the U.S. in "six, seven, or eight cities simultaneously" sometime "within the next 90 days" are outdated, as he issued them back in July 2005. It seems safe to say from this vantage point that those predictions were not correct, as no such attacks occurred.

Last updated: 16 January 2009

JerrySharrett
01-24-2009, 04:23 AM
Sounds to me like this jerk is part of the terrorist ring that did some bigger things itself!! Otherwise, how would he know??? A crystal ball, BS!!!!

Jeffrey
01-24-2009, 06:26 AM
John S.,
What you say sounds logical but it would be interesting to know how someone, anyone, could be so accurate in their predictions without having "insider" information.

Our "handlers" want to maintain the perception that they have everything in control as well as the ability to shed accountability if something goes wrong.

They really don't want us involved in the idea that we may need to protect ourselves until the gun control, or abolition, gets settled. Can you imagine the chaos of armed citizens thinking they need to protect themselves from terror might cause. Some things are better left dormant.

Yea, watch your back.

Jeffrey

zippy06
01-24-2009, 07:35 AM
Jerry. Could be.
Here's a new theory.
Defeatocrats. Gun Control. Elderly folks. Social Security. Letting criminals out of jail.
What is a criminal, when he gets out of Jail?
What is a criminal, when he gets out of Jail, early?
What is a criminal, when he gets out of Jail, and commits more crime?
He is still a criminal. They don't change. Most are repeat offenders.
Democrats don't like jails. Think it keeps their votes, locked up. So they want to let them out.
Gun Control does not bother criminals. They like it.
Social Security is going broke.
Criminals, gun control, defenseless Old folks, less people on Soc. Security......
The Defeatocrats can say "FDR had some great ideas".

Oh, yea. I read this the other day. We the People, are now, Sheeple.

oldgoathair
01-24-2009, 07:40 AM
If anyone is familiar with Revelations, Ezekiel, Daniel, in the Bible its prophecy is coming true before our eyes wether you believe in God or not. If your not prepared to meet our Saviour now is the time. Marc

zippy06
01-24-2009, 07:41 AM
Dennis. Even if this is boggis.
It all sounds like a good thing. Something everyone should read.

John. Thank you.

Dave Coots
01-24-2009, 07:52 AM
I use snopes a lot.

I like the part when it says about stopping terrorism, "the Bush Administration has not been helpful, and we can not [B]change[B]things until 2008. If you think electing B-Ho is going to deter terrorists, we'll see. When some terrorist act happens under B-Ho's watch, and it will, i wonder how the media will find a way to blame the Bush administration. B-Ho's answer is to set down and have a cup of coffee with the opposition.

Also John S. about the main part of you post. There ain't enough people in this country anymore with the guts to change the direction our Government is headed today. More government, more entitlement, more government rules and regulations, and by the way, let them tax the $hit out of us while they are at it.


Dave

JerrySharrett
01-24-2009, 08:04 AM
I use snopes a lot.


Also John S. about the main part of you post. There ain't enough people in this country anymore with the guts to change the direction our Government is headed today. More government, more entitlement, more government rules and regulations, and by the way, let them tax the $hit out of us while they are at it.


Dave
Dave, the key phrase is "with guts". There are 85 million gun owners, 15 million of them are kooks like me...nuff said.

Snopes, who is to say they are not agenda driven just like us all?

You coming to the Shamrock? They have always had a great shoot.

Dave Coots
01-24-2009, 08:11 AM
How ya been? minus 9 here this am--global warming big time. Georgia sounds like a good place to go in March. I might go if my back is up to it, long rides haven't been a good thing since the Supershoot. I've had 4 epidurals since July, sciatiaca nerve on the rampage. It will get tired of me and go away, i'm thinkin.

See ya
Dave

zippy06
01-24-2009, 08:46 AM
Jerry. I read that snopes is agenda driven.
And most I have read appears that to me. Some good. Some bad.

To keep with Wilbur's firearm theme. In the Blue press. An article called "We are Marksmen." By Barrett Tillman.
http://targetpoints.blogspot.com/2009/01/we-are-marksmen.html

He suggests we change our vocabulary.

RStiefel
01-24-2009, 09:26 AM
Have you ever used "snopes" when you get an email that sounds a little far out? Basically it is a FALSE story. You know, one of those internet stories we see so often.

Read about it here: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/juvalaviv.asp


However, some critics have expressed skepticism about Aviv's background, claiming that he has grossly exaggerated his "spymaster" credentials, as the Guardian maintained in a 2006 article about the film Munich: Our investigations show that Aviv never served in Mossad, or any Israeli intelligence organisation. He had failed basic training as an Israeli Defence Force commando, and his nearest approximation to spy work was as a lowly gate guard for the airline El Al in New York in the early 70s. The tale he had woven [in Vengeance] was apparently nothing more than a Walter Mitty fabrication. We also couldn't verify the claim that Mr. Aviv predicted the July 2005 London bombings on Fox News just one week before they occurred. Although Aviv was a frequent guest on American news programs in the years after the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks, our search of television news transcripts did not turn up any appearances by him on such programs between 5 November 2004 and the day after the London bombings (8 July 2005). More important, though, the above-quoted predictions Aviv made about terrorists hitting the U.S. in "six, seven, or eight cities simultaneously" sometime "within the next 90 days" are outdated, as he issued them back in July 2005. It seems safe to say from this vantage point that those predictions were not correct, as no such attacks occurred.

Last updated: 16 January 2009

Aren't we to the south of you a gullible bunch Dennis. This is the rumor spreading capitol of the world. A modern day Payton Place.

Dennis Sorensen
01-24-2009, 10:37 AM
Aren't we to the south of you a gullible bunch Dennis. This is the rumor spreading capitol of the world. A modern day Payton Place.

It isn't that much different up here... the internet is a big equalizer in some respects... sucks a lot of people in... :D

tim
01-24-2009, 12:03 PM
Well Dennis, even if it is all BS, I guess it probably should remind all of us, north and south....be aware and pay attention to your surroundings, no downside in that.

Dennis Sorensen
01-24-2009, 12:55 PM
Well Dennis, even if it is all BS, I guess it probably should remind all of us, north and south....be aware and pay attention to your surroundings, no downside in that.

I hear you... it's a tough world and I don't think it is getting better any time soon.

... but I don't know if inaccurate gossip helps anything either... :)