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Changeling
01-17-2009, 01:23 PM
Have you guys that campaign/shoot wit the Tubb rifles in 6XC experienced any problems with them?

Boblor
01-21-2009, 09:21 AM
Changeling,
Since you posted under F class I am assuming you are talking about using a Tubb 2000 rifle for F open.
No problems using one, but you do have to put on some adaptors. For the round hand guard you will want a flat bag riding adaptor and for the buttstock you will again need some kind of bag riding adaptor. These can be found ready made at
M.Werksllc.com

Bob

Changeling
01-21-2009, 01:06 PM
Bob thanks for the reply, I have intentions of purchasing this rifle, but would like to know if it has any history of malfunctions or problems. I sure don't want to spend this kind of money to find out I have an unreliable weapon, I hope you understand.

Also, I haven't investigated the competition associated with this type of rifle (handling the same caliber), this is what you would call an investigating question into these weapons/rifles.

I have never owned this type, only bolt actions, witch I thoroughly enjoy but am really intrigued by by things I am hearing. F-class is definitely an option, but at this point I am interested in the rifles longevity, read that as reliable.

Changeling

Boblor
01-22-2009, 06:35 AM
Changeling,
You have me a bit confused, the Tubb 2000 is a bolt action rifle with a five shot detachable magazine. The main design of this rifle was for the NRA across the course shooters but it works equally well for NRA mid and long range prone shooting.
I own two Tubb rifles, both bought used and I have put at least two thousand rounds through each rifle since I bought them. I have had no malfunctions with them. I have shot out one 6xc barrel. I think they are a very reliable rifle.

Changeling
01-23-2009, 01:54 PM
Changeling,
You have me a bit confused, the Tubb 2000 is a bolt action rifle with a five shot detachable magazine. The main design of this rifle was for the NRA across the course shooters but it works equally well for NRA mid and long range prone shooting.
I own two Tubb rifles, both bought used and I have put at least two thousand rounds through each rifle since I bought them. I have had no malfunctions with them. I have shot out one 6xc barrel. I think they are a very reliable rifle.

Bob it appears that I am the confused one. As I said I have never owned one of these firearms and from it's looks I just assumed it was a semi auto, not a hybrid bolt action. It's a case of "lack of knowledge" on my part, sorry!

Is there a competitive rifle in the semi auto realm that uses this caliber reliably and has the same accuracy potential. I'm not blowing smoke at you sir, I really what to know.

Changeling

Boblor
01-23-2009, 03:42 PM
Changeling,
Off hand I do not know of any semiauto match rifle that uses the 6XC cartridge.
David Tubb did try to make a match rifle out of a SR-25 but I do not remember the caliber.

Asa Yam
01-24-2009, 12:08 AM
David Tubb did try to make a match rifle out of a SR-25 but I do not remember the caliber.
IIRC, he used two. 6.5-284 and 6.5-08.

6XC rifles can be built on any semiauto action capable of firing a .308 Winchester. The tricky part is modifying the gas port size and location, and possibly the gas system to cycle the action.

gt40
02-10-2009, 10:32 AM
Haven't been able to find a price on a Tubb 2000. Anyone know how much do they cost? :confused:

gt40

Asa Yam
02-10-2009, 11:21 AM
~$4500 new. Creedmoor Sports is the sole distributor, and lead times are ~1 year.

Used ones are typically selling for around $3000.

gt40
02-10-2009, 12:22 PM
WOW!! $4,500.

Might want to snatch up one of these for about $1,500.

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek074.html

"Aim small miss small",

gt40

Asa Yam
02-10-2009, 01:27 PM
It's the archer, not the bow.

Hand a top-of-the-line rifle to a beginner, and a not-so-good rifle to an experienced shooter, and odds are, it won't be the most expensive rifle that results in the win.

Having said the above, in the last 8 years, Tubb 2000 rifles have repeatedly shown up in the winner's circle (or top 5) at the US National Matches. (That's the highpower rifle Nationals, not benchrest.) To date, the ONLY perfect score in the Long Range Nationals (3 Days of shooting, 1450 possible points) was fired using a Tubb 2000. Combine a good archer with good gear, and the results do change.

FYI, the rifle shown on the 6BR board did not win this past weekend's LR match in Phoenix. Then again, neither did a Tubb 2000.

gt40
02-10-2009, 04:52 PM
Asa Yam, You are correct.

I'm not a race car driver, but I can get to the grocery store in a Chevy or in my GT-40. For some of us that enjoy the sport might beable to afford some Bling without having to sell their first born especially if they are to old to compete with the "top guns".

Isn't that why old men like young women and old women like young boys?

"Aim small miss small",

gt40

Puebloshooter
02-10-2009, 05:25 PM
I had a T2K for a long time and it is difficult to shoot off bags. Once I learned how and made some hand guard and buttstock changes it was a hammer. I had rebarreled mine to 6CM and shot nothing but 115s.

All that changed last fall after shooting a match with Kelly McMillan. Sold it and all my McMillan stocks the following week.

BillHocker
02-11-2009, 08:56 AM
[All that changed last fall after shooting a match with Kelly McMillan. Sold it and all my McMillan stocks the following week.[/QUOTE]

WHY?

alinwa
02-11-2009, 12:45 PM
Changeling,


First of all, I CANNOT get behind the tired old "It's the archer, not the bow" saw........ in large part IT IS THE BOW! Bar nothing, the best "archer" on earth WILL NOT WIN with inferior equipment. Conversely many complete neophytes come in with solid equipment and their learning curve is tremendously shortened. In fact many RECORDS have been set by neophytes, with hummer rifles.


Now, as per your question. As far as I know your quest will end only with a custom rifle :) as there is nothing currently available in a 6XC or similar in an accurate semi-auto. There is only one platform upon which to build IMO, this being the Stoner SR-25 or a souped up AR-10 although in my limited experience the AR-10's just haven't been up to snuff. If it were my build, I'd send an SR-25 off to Les Baer, or at least call him about the concept. I would suggest that you consider the .243 Win cartridge over the 6XC. I currently own one SR-25 in .308 and can vouch for them being capable of sub-moa accuracy.

Good luck


al

Asa Yam
02-11-2009, 01:51 PM
First of all, I CANNOT get behind the tired old "It's the archer, not the bow" saw........ in large part IT IS THE BOW! Bar nothing, the best "archer" on earth WILL NOT WIN with inferior equipment.
I've met lots of shooters who won using "inferior" equipment. Some of them even beat LR benchresters at their own game, despite shooting from prone. The latter isn't likely to happen today, but it happened more than once in the past - and it wasn't a fluke. It's the rifleman that makes the ultimate difference. And before you say it, we are not talking about benchrest in this thread (or this forum). Despite the similarities, F-Class is NOT benchrest. The shooter matters more - this is the last I will say on this topic.


I would suggest that you consider the .243 Win cartridge over the 6XC.
Poor choice - 800-1200 rounds, and the barrel is toast. The 6XC and the like were designed to provide near-.243 performance in a shorter package, while delivering accuracy and longer (about 2-3x) barrel life. Big deal you say? Consider this: LR highpower shooters can fire ~200 rounds a weekend. May not seem like much until you consider:
In some places, it is possible to shoot every weekend from late spring to early fall.
In some places (San Diego, CA and vicinity), the shooting season never stops.
Between late February to early April, there is an LR prone match (includes F-Class) every week in Central and Northern California. IIRC, you will need ~1500 rounds for just the matches. Practices add more rounds to the count.
Burning out a barrel is very likely under such circumstances.


If it were my build, I'd send an SR-25 off to Les Baer, or at least call him about the concept.
I personally would not choose Les Baer. Not when other smiths can do work as good or better - and do it faster for less cost.


Now, as per your question. As far as I know your quest will end only with a custom rifle :) as there is nothing currently available in a 6XC or similar in an accurate semi-auto.
Chambering an SR-25/AR-10 in 6XC is fairly trivial, since the work has been done by several smiths for at least five years. If the factories had the reamers and the demand, it would be easy for them to build rifles in 6XC. The tricky part is on the shooter end. Get the load wrong (use a powder with the wrong burn rate), and the rifle short cycles or tears case rims.


There is only one platform upon which to build IMO, this being the Stoner SR-25 or a souped up AR-10 although in my limited experience the AR-10's just haven't been up to snuff.
At least one knowledgeable gunsmith thinks the SR-25 is not a good choice for a donor platform, due to the path through which the round feeds through the magazine through the chamber. However, this matters if you only shoot through the magazine - LR prone/F-Class is a single load proposition. Still, the AR-10 is a better choice than the SR-25 because:
The feed system is more reliable (though see above re: mag feeding),
It is less expensive,
Obtaining rifles and parts is easier. Right now, Knight's is building rifles for the US Army. Until this contract is finished, they can't sell parts or rifles to civilians. IIRC, the Army wanted at least 4400 rifles - this is on top of what the USN and USMC have contracts for. And don't forget about police agency orders - Knight's sells lots of SR-25s to cops. Seem to recall that Knight's builds ~200 rifles a month.

Bill Ohio
02-12-2009, 07:47 PM
I had a T2K for a long time and it is difficult to shoot off bags. Once I learned how and made some hand guard and buttstock changes it was a hammer. I had rebarreled mine to 6CM and shot nothing but 115s.

All that changed last fall after shooting a match with Kelly McMillan. Sold it and all my McMillan stocks the following week.

P/S, thanks for your PM about this.

alinwa
02-12-2009, 08:55 PM
Asa,

Good, informative post. :)


You're right, we won't agree about the importance of good equipment, and I can't agree that the 6XC lasts "2-3 times as long" as the .243," but I did learn something from the rest of the post and I think it'll help Changeling in his quest. Good info.


al


BTW, This thing about a shortage of Stoners..... So is now a good time to sell one? I've been thinking of it.

Asa Yam
02-13-2009, 01:16 PM
BTW, This thing about a shortage of Stoners..... So is now a good time to sell one? I've been thinking of it.
Post it to Gunbroker (or a similar site) and find out. But don't list your address, as you may be mobbed by buyers. Just a guess on the latter though. (FYI, right now, there is a shortage of AR-15/clones and parts to build them.)

Puebloshooter
02-14-2009, 09:31 AM
Comments like yours above should be explained, or left unsaid.

PM sent.