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Butch Lambert
01-08-2009, 10:49 AM
This is James Pappas J&J Blue Kernoodle attached to a Shadetree Engineering tuner.
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj197/butchlambert/DSC02276.jpg
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj197/butchlambert/DSC02275.jpg
Thought you guys might like to see this.
Butch
www.shadetreeea.com

Lew
01-08-2009, 11:21 AM
Butch any longer and you will need to move the target back...:D

RegisG
01-08-2009, 11:37 AM
Is it anodized or powder coated (or)? Looks great.....what's the target look like? ;)

Butch Lambert
01-08-2009, 12:31 PM
It is blue anodized. I'm going to try it on a centerfire as I do not own a BR rimfire rifle.
Butch

cpeters
01-08-2009, 02:26 PM
Oh Butch.....I don't think they work if you change the color.:eek:

Pretty cool looking....now all you have to do is anodize or powder coat the barrel and tuner to match.

Charlie

Lew
01-08-2009, 02:45 PM
Are the holes drilled at an angle or are they straight. I remember one of my "Breaks" had 11' holes drilled to disipate the gas away and dampen the recoil. How does the Blue K work to disipate the gasses.

BrentD
01-08-2009, 03:01 PM
Being that it is attached to a tuner and there is no need for a sight radius extention, what exactly, is the function of a, Kernoodle?

She sure is cute, but a little mysterious to the unwashed....
Brent

DonMatzeder
01-08-2009, 03:05 PM
It's an add on weight for the tuner. It is adjustable so you don't need numerous weights to get what you want and it uses leverage rather than brute mass to effect tuning.

Butch Lambert
01-08-2009, 03:06 PM
It is Dan Killough and James Pappas newest secret. 10 years from now you will look back and say, James Pappas pioneered this advancement in accuracy.
Butch

BrentD
01-08-2009, 03:09 PM
Thanks guys. I sort of thought it was something like that but why even have a tuner at all, and just go straight to the Kernoodle?

As an 18th century traditionalist when it comes to firearms, you guys play with some funny lookin' toys, but they do look pretty cool in their own right....

Brent

DonMatzeder
01-08-2009, 03:19 PM
The slip weight is a course adjustment while the tuner is a fine adjustment.

J Pappas
01-08-2009, 03:38 PM
It is Dan Killough and James Pappas newest secret. 10 years from now you will look back and say, James Pappas pioneered this advancement in accuracy.
Butch

I designed the Parallel Noodle (the long one). Joe Youngblood figured out what made it work and designed the short one (the Slider). The short one is very easy to tune on most rifles. We changed the name to J & J Slider for both of them.

Joe Youngblood
01-08-2009, 11:00 PM
Actually, I took James' long bloop tube, added a sliding weight (one of the 1st models--my friend Bob Hontz was a tester on this one); then figuring the amount of air in a 22" to 26" barrel, cut the tube length accordingly for the short version, figured the varying size of the 3 sets of holes and the size/weight of the sliding fixture and the size/angle of the holes in it, then sent the plans to James on Aug 1. I tested the device Aug 8 at the Ennis Range. Had a rewarding day of testing----(Bob Hontz was a 1st tester on this one also)

Joe Youngblood

greg
01-09-2009, 06:01 PM
It is blue anodized. I'm going to try it on a centerfire as I do not own a BR rimfire rifle.
Butch

how do you get by what appears to be a muzzle break feature in short range BR match use, or is that not what the holes are for? --Greg

RegisG
01-09-2009, 06:34 PM
Interesting device. Do these perform indoor or outdoor in the wind with equal results?

Thanks,
Regis

Butch Lambert
01-09-2009, 08:04 PM
Interesting question Greg. I made a couple of post about the definition of a muzzle brake as it applies to the rule and never got an answer. I think that it leaves it open to the rangemaster to do what ever he wants. I think in centerfire they were outlawed because of noise. What if it looks like what most people call a muzzle brake and it has the same noise as without? Alan Warner has been playing with something that redirects the gases and wanted a definition of a muzzle brake and never got it. I believe that it you go out and win with one in CF BR, somebody will protest that he got beat by it. Somebody needs to refine our rule in CF BR.
Butch

Butch Lambert
01-09-2009, 08:05 PM
Regis,
I just installed one on a CF and don't know when I will get my lazy a$$ out to shoot it.
Butch

steve b.
01-09-2009, 08:09 PM
Add me to the 'noddle club.

Just got a few from James and they look pretty nifty.

Good work, as usual, James!

s.

Joe Youngblood
01-10-2009, 08:30 AM
In the long version of the "Slider", the slide is placed along the tube using mainly weight/mass with the holes in the tube having some effect in helping control/tune vibration.
The holes in the tube and the slide on the short version of the "Slider" take advantage of the air that is in the barrel and is compressed in front of the bullet on firing. They also take advantage of the gases that are generated behind the bullet.(both versions utilize these effects) The difference in a muzzle brake and the "Slider" is that the gases can be controlled somewhat by placement of the holes in the slide with the holes in the tube to allow more or less gas to escape to help curtail/dampen vibration. Also the slide does double duty in its varible placement as weight/mass to further help in tuning vibration.

Joe youngblood

KEN HARPER
01-10-2009, 09:05 AM
Now that you've got the total length of the gun to what looks like 60" or so, where do you find a gun case to put this in?

Fred J
01-10-2009, 09:09 AM
Looks like an upgrade is in order to haul it. Bigger case = wider or longer truck. Equates to bigger parking lots for the ranges.

steve b.
01-10-2009, 09:11 AM
I took the longer noodle over to the club, Seamless, and the ladies stole it away for about 45 minutes, then brought it back and said it should work just fine.

:confused:

With noodle, my rifle is 59"

s.

J Pappas
01-10-2009, 10:52 AM
Now that you've got the total length of the gun to what looks like 60" or so, where do you find a gun case to put this in?

I take the slider off of the rifle. There is no reason to leave it on the rifle. It seats on a rubber washer and is not sensitive to being take off and put back on the rifle.