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James Whitten
12-30-2008, 01:19 PM
Any one have any experience using the SMK on deer size game?Im thinking of trying the 6.5 140gr. for deer out of my 264 Win Mag.Lots of choices out there but happen to have a box sitting here and was wondering.How well will they expand at 3200 fps muzzle velocity.They are very accurate out of my gun.

Big Al
12-30-2008, 01:22 PM
Any one have any experience using the SMK on deer size game?Im thinking of trying the 6.5 140gr. for deer out of my 264 Win Mag.Lots of choices out there but happen to have a box sitting here and was wondering.How well will they expand at 3200 fps muzzle velocity.They are very accurate out of my gun.


Great choice if you want a point detonating bullet. If you are sure your shots will be at extreme range you might be OK. It would not be my choice.

Larry Elliott
12-30-2008, 03:45 PM
Matchkings tend to be pretty hard bullets, and would be near my last choice for game. Super accuracy isn't needed for most hunting, and there are lots of good, reliable bullets designed to work on game.

RemVS308
12-30-2008, 04:31 PM
I've had good success hunting with them in .308 Win., going much slower than 3200 fps of course. Never found much left of one that didn't exit... just fragments and lots of internal damage.

Like any other bullet, terminal performace will depend a lot on how fast it's running when it gets to the target. I've never seen it myself, but I've read others say that SMKs going too fast when they reach target will come completely apart without significant penetration. Too slow, and I'd bet they act just like a solid. At the right speed, they seem pretty effective.

Boss Hoss 540
12-30-2008, 04:37 PM
I have killed so many anmials with SMK's I cannot remember how many. The 142 in my 6.5 284 is verry effective also in my Warp 7 (150GR 3390 fps) has never failed.

Here is a feral hog and a dog from earlier this month--killed a couple more but did not take a picture. These 2 were with a 150 SMK. The hog 390 yds and the dog about 125.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z306/meyerdw/Pig1.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z306/meyerdw/Pig2-1.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z306/meyerdw/WhiteDog.jpg

James Whitten
12-30-2008, 05:59 PM
Ok I thought the thicker jacket would slow the expansion a little. I have been shooting 139gr Lapuas and they really come apart.I was looking for something that would stay together a little better. Killed lots of game with it so far without a loss but a particular incident this year got me to thinking about not having a blood trail.Keep the comments comming.

Nader
12-30-2008, 06:00 PM
Boss Hoss,
You shot a dog wearing a blue collar ! What do fluffy's owners think about that ?
James if you have questions regarding Sierra bullet performance on legal "wild" game,call Sierra they have a toll free number and a person on the line with experience and a conscience.
Joel

James Whitten
12-30-2008, 06:33 PM
Feral dogs are a problem in alot of places collar or not.Lets not start a argument here.Thanks for the comments.When I talk to the folks at sierra I dont feel like Im talking to experience.Just my opinion.Do the Sierras have a thicker jacket than the J4s?

Dog's Elvis
12-30-2008, 06:59 PM
Nader:
I don't want to answer for Boss Hoss. He can do that himself, and there may be more to the story.
But it reminded me.... I shot a dog a couple years ago, a pit bull and something big cross. Easily 75 pounds. I really wish that dog would have been wearing a collar and tags. I'd have liked to know who dumped him in that rural area. Shot him at the edge of a herd of 47 cows. Twelve of them had calved. Ten claves were still alive. Cows and calves belonged to a friend of mine. It sucked. I didn't take pictures, but that's got nothing to do with it.

Dog's Elvis
12-30-2008, 07:01 PM
Sierras are thicker than J4s. I've shot 5 deer and 1 elk with the 210 Berger VLD. I'm sticking with it, FWIW.

Nader
12-30-2008, 07:09 PM
Yeah, you guys are probably right. "FLUFFY" was born wild,wandered into the Dallas Fort Worth area,started turning tricks just outside the pound,came up with enough cash to buy herself a flashy blue collar( it's a "bling" thing) Then started shaking her money maker 125 yards from Boss Hoss's back porch.Well, a man of conscience can only see so much debauchery before he brings the hammer down(or pulls the knife out like "jack the ripper") Yeah, non-conforming suburban animals are a real problem.Good thing you guys are keeping things under control !

dlay
12-30-2008, 07:18 PM
Dont think that I would shoot a dog with a collar on, much less post the picture....:confused:

Dog's Elvis
12-30-2008, 07:23 PM
Glad that got cleared up. I thought Fluffy was a male...

But I'll add this to my sole anecdote: The dog I shot had a live but dying calf in his mouth when I shot him. While I believe in rehabilitation, at least in theory and for some things, I had neither the time nor the money. And his owner was nowhere to be found.

James Whitten
12-30-2008, 07:35 PM
210 gr. Bergers...Whew that is a big bullet:D. My thoughts were that the thicker Sierra would stay together a little better than the thinner jacket bullets.I don't want a solid but something that could stay together a little longer.I still have one more month a deer season left to try this:).Keep the comments coming.
P.S. The cattle buisness has a low tolerence for Ferel dogs. I know how expensive that situation can be. Yes I have dogs and cattle myself but they won't make it long killing cattle:mad:

david dumas
12-30-2008, 08:57 PM
killed 3 does last week with 6.5 x 284 with 140 Berger VLD match bullets, one head shot, 2 body slams all 3 DRT(dead right there),, a few years ago I shot 8 deer with 22-250, 52 gr match kings and berger match bullets both 3600+ ft/sec,,, all looked like they were shot with a 300 win mag when you cleaned them,,,,,,,,,,, this year my 22-250 bullet is 55 gr gameking SPT BT smoked one sunday evening 326 yards, got a pass thur behind the shoulder, she ran 30-40 yards, pumping and spurting,,,,,,,,,,,

the wind is my friend,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

DD

Boss Hoss 540
12-31-2008, 06:50 AM
Simple----dogs come on our land they get shot period end of story. I have killed many over the years including this one that was chasing a doe and a fawn.

It was a male and the collar had no tags btw and the dog was pretty matted up but that being said it does not matter---if we see them they die. Our GW and both the State and Federal Biologists have advised to get rid of all dogs and hogs and they are by a long shot the largest threat to the indigenous wildlife that exists in our area.

For those who are ignorant of the way dogs act outside of the front yard-----they run both in packs and individually and kill things just to kill them. Have seen it and it is sad---if people value their animals life they will keep Fido on their own property.

papapaul
12-31-2008, 07:36 AM
I used Sierra 168 HPBT Match bullets for 25 years in a 300 win mag. Never lost a deer. People who don't understand shooting free running dogs never had to live with the problem. I carry a pistol in my pocket anytime I go outside just to protect myself from the dogs city folks drop off out in the country. Nothing like going into your barn and being attacked by a pit bull which just had puppies in there. True story. If my dog hadn't been with me to intervene I would have been mauled before I could have shot it. I hate to think what would have happened to a child alone. Another time, five of us came around the corner of the barn (same barn) and were charged by a rotweiler. I shot it at very close range. I mentioned the pit bull incident to the animal shelter folks, they were only concerned about what I had done with the puppies. When I told them I had destroyed them, they recoilled in horror.

Ginner
12-31-2008, 08:30 AM
I grew up on a farm and had to deal with the same pain-in-butt city mentality. People would drop off cats and dogs all the time. I guess they think the unwanted pet will help out some poor farmer with rodents. The reality is the dogs get shot right away due to the previous mentioned problems.
The cats, on the other hand, prosper to the detriment of the local wildlife such as rabbits and muskrats. Then some damn fool invariably starts feeding them and the population explodes.
I know a crazy woman that kept feeding cats at an abandoned house. She just couldn't figure out what unspayed cats do when they're not eating her into abject poverty. When the house finally got sold it had to be burned to the ground due to feces and literally hundreds of cats met their maker. That was over a year ago and I still have not seen a cottontail within a half mile of the place even though it is prime habitat and the new owner has shot all remaining cats.

gt40
12-31-2008, 09:12 AM
Why not use Searra Gameking bullets? They seem to be as accurate as the Matchkings and are designed for game. I have used .85 gr. HPBT Gamekings for years in my .243 and have killed 40 plus deer out to 300 yards with them. I can only remember one that did not drop in its tracks and it was a bad hit far back in the hind quarter. It ran about 100 yards until it bled out and dropped.

I have been using Speer .55 gr. Bear Claws in my .220 Swift and killed a large doe at about 285 yards. She was hit through both shoulders. A complete pass through and dropped in her tracks. The muzzle velocity out of the 26" Ruger Target Gray barrel was 3600+ fps. At 100 yds it shoots them in 5 shot 1/2" groups.

They ( Speer .55 gr. Bear Claws ) are very expensive though. About 95 cents each including shipping from Midway USA.

"Aim small miss small", :D

gt40

James Whitten
12-31-2008, 12:01 PM
Papapaul,What kind of expansion and penetration did you get when shots were 100yds and less. Game kings are an option.Just using what I have if possible.Keep it coming.

Big Al
12-31-2008, 01:18 PM
Once upon a time (in one of my theorizing moments) I bought into this thick jacket business (forgetting the open point) This was right after we could not get the old Nosler partition bullets. The new Nosler's were not staying together on heavy bone and just blowing apart (just like they do now). In the midst of all of this running around looking for a good game bullet, a couple of guys asked me what I thought, I gave them my theory. Never ever again will I make that mistake!

I had no idea, they were going after coastal brown bear. When they came back to the shop a few weeks later, I didn't know whether to run or just duck and cover when they told me the story.

If you want to be sure of a human kill, don't use match King bullets on game, or any open point bullet on game. Note I did not write hollow point exposed lead bullets.

I most often recommend Remington Core Lok's for general big game hunting.

Boss Hoss 540
12-31-2008, 01:24 PM
I used Sierra 168 HPBT Match bullets for 25 years in a 300 win mag. Never lost a deer. People who don't understand shooting free running dogs never had to live with the problem. I carry a pistol in my pocket anytime I go outside just to protect myself from the dogs city folks drop off out in the country. Nothing like going into your barn and being attacked by a pit bull which just had puppies in there. True story. If my dog hadn't been with me to intervene I would have been mauled before I could have shot it. I hate to think what would have happened to a child alone. Another time, five of us came around the corner of the barn (same barn) and were charged by a rotweiler. I shot it at very close range. I mentioned the pit bull incident to the animal shelter folks, they were only concerned about what I had done with the puppies. When I told them I had destroyed them, they recoilled in horror.

You are correct and it is sad because the dog is only doing what is does naturally. Almost everyone who has not been around them in a non city or home environment will swear that “my doggie” would never do anything like that! Unfortunately they are wrong---I have seen packs with 25lb to 125lbs in them some with collars and haircuts even. When I was 11 had to watch my PaPa put shoot one of his very high dollar German Shorthair Pointers that had taken down a calf. He just whistled him up and shot him in the head ----- I was horrified and asked why he shot Redhead and he said “Dave once they do this they will never stop” and he is correct.:(

dlay
12-31-2008, 04:38 PM
I will agree, we get a lot of stray dogs where I am but have been lucky with not many problems. My friend will shoot them if they are running deer etc and with no collar on. But once they start, they will not quit.

James Whitten
12-31-2008, 10:00 PM
O.k. ,lets forget about the dogs for a while and get back to the subject.Sierra Match King performance.Tell me about penetration and expansion.Thanks

jackie schmidt
01-01-2009, 01:16 AM
Sierra states quite plainly in their loading manual that they do not recommend Match Kings for hunting. But what do they know??.........jackie

bill larson
01-01-2009, 05:51 AM
I have had good reults on deer (200 yds.)and elk,(225 yds. running)with 168`s out of a 300 win. mag. at 3000ft/sec.

virg
01-01-2009, 07:40 AM
Sierra does not recommend their SMK's for hunting due to their unreliable performance for hunting. A few years ago I shot a white tail doe with a 150gr, 30 cal, SMK. She walked off as if unharmed. I found her about 100 yards away. I had hit her in the lower shoulder and the bullet went through both lungs. The exit hole was the same size as the entrance hole. Not much shock value there. My bullet for choice for dear size hunting is one of the Nosler ballistic tips.

Conclusion; SMK's for target work, one of the fine available bullets designed for hunting for me.

virg

DR4NRA
01-01-2009, 09:24 AM
Sierra is a target bullet with J4 type jackets more like a puncturing an animal without expansion and shock value. You have better choices for a hunting bullet than Sierra.


Stephen, Sierra calls them Pro Hunter, or Game King, excellent hunting bullets.

dlay
01-01-2009, 09:28 AM
Have shot a lot of ground hogs and crows with smks, but wouldnt use on deer or larger animals. Use the gamekings if going to sierra. They are for game not targets.

tillroot1
01-01-2009, 10:44 AM
my .02,,, I use them, only the bigger calibers and heavy bullets. They give me the shot placement that I need at long range and consistancy, There have been alot said about using them at short ranges for hunting and thier performance may not be perfect, effective but not perfect. I have harvested 2 mule deer and a antelope at mid to long range this year and am very happy with the SMK for performance on game. Ron Tilley

James Whitten
01-01-2009, 01:53 PM
I know the hunting bullets are designed for just that,hunting.I use Nosler almost exclusively but I have had good sucess with the 139gr. Lapua scenar.They provide great expansion and killing power.I thought the SMK might stay together a little better for more penetration and that is why I started this thread. I have got a few of the SMK's loaded to try out.If I have any luck this evening I will post the results.:D

papapaul
01-02-2009, 08:33 AM
James, Your question about penetration and expansion: I would get an entrance hole on the near side, and slight bruising on the muscles of the rib-cage on the off side. no exit wound. The heart and lungs would be totally lacerated with no damage to any meat. I took care to hit the ribcage. Some of this is a matter of scale. My load generated 4,000 ft/lbs of power. The bullet only needed to hookup, that is, transfer that energy, that's all. These things hooked up. My point of aim was "middle of the front half" of the deer. I used a 300 yd zero. At extreme range, say 500 yds, I would hold just under the top of the front half. I never experience extensive meat damage with two exceptions. I was on a haystack shooting at a deer running across a flat open field. My first shot hit it in the ass. I paced off the shot and it was 440 yds. I hadn't lead it at all. There was quite a bit of damage to the meat on that one. The other one was a buck running by at no yards. I hit him in the back, took a section out of his spine about 8" wide. I wouldn't recommend this bullet for anything larger than deer. P.S. I used this bullet because of excellent long range performance. Any bullet in a 300 win mag will kill deer up close. Any bullet at 3,200-3,500 fps must be placed well to avoid excessive meat damage. These would drop a deer at 500 yds travelling at about 2,500 fps.

James Whitten
01-02-2009, 09:19 AM
I haven't got to try one yet but that sounds like what the 139gr. Lapuas are doing.Killing deer is easy with them.I had an incident happen this year where I shot a nice buck standing on the edge of a thick cut over.I hit him in the shoulder but he didn't drop right there.He turned and ran back out in the middle of an open field for about 75 yds. before he died.It was very early in the morning and I actually was blinded by the muzzle flash for a moment.I looked to where I shot him and he wasn't there.What happened I thought,did I miss? It took a few moments before I saw him.This got me thinking,what if that deer had of dove into the cut over with out leaving a blood trail.I would have not known where to begin to look.He only went 75 yds. but which way?No sign of a hit,no blood and the fact that I couldn't see which way he went could have ment a lost animal.Now normaly they drop dead in there tracks but as everyone knows Murphys law shows up when least expected.Thanks for all comments.

keithcandler
01-02-2009, 01:14 PM
Brother and I have had the 7mm 150g Match king fail on deer out of a 7 Mag at 3150.

John S
01-02-2009, 02:13 PM
Now remember this is the internet and if you believe everything you read on the internet you are in big trouble.

Now I have no doubt some folks have killed elephant with Match Kings, but just stop and think about this:

Most of the major bullet companies have spent major time, effort and money developing the best Hunting Bullets ever.

So why on earth would someone want to use Matck King bullets on Game? Heck even Sierra says not to.

I just don't get it.

There is so much to concider when picking a good game bullet.

Some things to concider are the size of game, tuffness of the skin, and impact velocity of the bullet etc.

BTW I buy and shoot Matck Kings by the thousands.

papapaul
01-02-2009, 04:29 PM
John, you are correct. But at the time I was building my load for the rifle (1974?) up in Northern Minnesota, The Sierra 168 gr HPBT bullets had the highest BC, but, and most important, they were available locally. Once I used them with good results I just never changed. You just didn't have as many choices back then.

Jim S
01-02-2009, 06:09 PM
Dave, I can almost see the grin on your face when you dumped that fur ball.

I have used 140 gr a-max out of my 260AI, thier not much different then a smk other than the plastic tip, still just a cup and core bullet. From 75 to 609 yards, 13 deer and 2 lopes, each one took only one bullet and not one traveled over 75 yards.

Bergers kill lots of game and up untill a couple of years ago were not marketed as a hunting bullet.

g n brezinski
01-02-2009, 06:24 PM
i have talked with some people at the 1000 yd shoots here in pa.quite a few use them on both deer and elk.i have killed 2 deer with the 190 smk and they ran 20 yds or so but the damage was good enough to kill them.
gary b

jo191145
01-03-2009, 09:43 AM
I'm not a hunter so you can take anything I say with extra salt as opposed to the normal internet dose.

Berger has tested thier match bullets for hunting. They did so after recommending they not be used for hunting but getting reports that they indeed do work well.
They claim they'll punch through flesh/bone for 3"-4" then fragment violently causing severe internal damage.
Don't count on an exit hole.
I have no idea what results you might get if you butt shoot a running deer.
Probably not good. Best not to shoot at tails using any match bullet.

Sierra has done no testing to my knowledge for the simple reason its a target bullet,period The fact they strongly disapprove of thier use for hunting should be enough.
Theres countless internet tails of SMK's flattening deer and just as many stories of poor performance.

I bought a box of 6mm 100gn Grand Slams real cheap from a gunstore going out of business. I used some of them to run in a 243 Win barrel. Using some surplus W-760 and fresh brass I found one node that was punching under .4 moa with no load development.

It should'nt be hard to find a load good enough for hunting using bullets designed for it. That would be my recommendation from a paper killer.

Rich K
01-03-2009, 10:16 AM
James,
Out of the match bullets I can recommend Berger VLDs and Hornady A max on deer. Have used both and they perform very good on paper and on beasts. The Lapua scenar I have found not to expand enough, punches a small hole all the way through, little shock value. I think as somebody has already touched on unless you are using a range gun and dont want to change ammo or are swimming in SMKs I would use a Nosler hunting bullet myself

:+)

James Whitten
01-03-2009, 12:42 PM
The Lapuas I've used have expanded very well.Maybe to good at times.I'm not afraid to use them again.

Rich K
01-03-2009, 01:15 PM
The Lapuas I've used have expanded very well.Maybe to good at times.I'm not afraid to use them again.

Glad maty, you may have been pushing them a bit quicker as these were only out of a 308?! :rolleyes:

James Whitten
01-03-2009, 05:27 PM
You are right.3250fps out of the 264 Win Mag.:rolleyes: Could make a difference:D. Went out hunting today but saw nothing to test on.Still have the entire month of Jan. left before season ends.

Boss Hoss 540
01-04-2009, 01:14 PM
Yet another victim of the 150 SMK!!

James Whitten
01-04-2009, 05:09 PM
Ok BossHoss tell me about the penetration and expansion you got out of this.Where was the shot placed?How much did the critter weigh? etc.We need details.:D

Boss Hoss 540
01-04-2009, 07:04 PM
Tough to answer that---shot him quartering away at very short range a little over a hundred yards and the 150 7mm SMK mv 3390 dropped him like a stone. Round entered mid rib cage and exited the opposite rear part of the shoulder (shot this one for the wall and to get rid of not to eat) the exit wound was not large and I did not cape back that far. Weighed around 125 or so.

papapaul
01-09-2009, 06:24 AM
I was having problems with factory (Rem) 140 gr ammo in 7mm Rem Mag. They were going straight through medium sized deer with almost no hole. I hate it when a deer stands there and looks at you and then trots off after you made a perfect shot on it. I didn't lose any deer, but I had to track them down and shoot them twice. The 140s cronographed at just over 2,900 fps. I have gone to a 120 gr at 3,480 fps measured. I didn't carry it this year because I was hunting in close and used my 30-06. I was 6 for 6 with the 30-06 using 130 gr Hornadys, but got exit wounds on all of them. I may try the 110 gr next year if my rifle likes them. On a broadside forward ribcage shot you need a bullet which is going to happen fast. I think the trick to using lighter bullets in a 30-06 is not to speed them up to max velocity, just run them the same speed as the larger bullet. Nice thing about cartridges in the 30-06 class is that they use speed and bullet weight to kill, not all one or the other. On game the size of deer this gives you a lot of latitude to work with.

keithcandler
01-10-2009, 08:21 PM
Brother and I both lost white tails with the 7 Mag shooting the 150g Match king at 3150, and not just one animal each. Shots were not close where the bullet would blow up, being 150 yds plus on multiple animals. I knocked one buck down, he was trying to get up and I shot him again in the neck, bullet blew up on the spine on the second shot and did not penetrate; first shot blew up on the shoulder blade.

Boss Hoss, you had great luck, I and brother had dismal luck...Match king is the answer....sometimes they work and sometimes they don't.

The 150g Sierra Sp BT however is a fine hunting bullet and has never failed us.

I shot the sierra 52g BTHP Match and 53g HP on p. dogs at 3550, and they penciled their way through the p. dogs, in a 14 twist 22 PPC. The rifle was accurate enough for me to take shoulder shots on p. dogs.

However, the same bullets did a really fine job on coyotes with never a failure.

70g Sierra MK also did not do a great job on p. dogs out of a 14twist 6 BR and 243 win, but did ok on yotes....better bullets for yotes.

The heavier the bullet, the more apt it is to kill the animal with just the bullet's core if/when the core seperates from the jacket.

Years ago, I shot deer with the 308 and 168g Match king; I found out that the 165g HP Game king was a much better bullet for deer.

I made Benchrest bullets for years. It amazes me at how accurate regular hunting bullets are today. The current cult following for using a bullet with the very highest BC has folks leaning towards Match Kings and target bullets with the highest BC, which is understandable.

It is very humilating to loose a trophy animal because of obvious bullet failure. I guarantee you that it will only happen to you one time.

If you are shooting a 180-220 g Match king on deer in 30 Caliber, I would feel as if the core itself would pole ax the animal, unless you contact bone and the point folds back over it's self, which is rare.

I had a friend that shot the 120g 6.5 Match kings at 3600+ and he never lost a deer...go figure.

The bullet is the cheapest part of the hunt.

keithcandler
01-10-2009, 08:30 PM
you would love the 130g Barnes Tripple shock on deer, accurate as a Benchrest bullet and puts the deer on the ground like an anvil dropped on them from a 747.

I was shooting an over max book load (not for my rifle) of Win 760, bullets all touching at 100 yds.

langenc
01-14-2009, 08:27 PM
Sierra Loading Manual V states the following:

"Match King bullets NOT recommended for hunting applications."

dpapadimitrio@g
01-16-2009, 10:33 AM
Did a lot of silhouette shooting and the big apparent difference between the Sierra match and game bullets was jacket thickness. This was evident at the 500 meter rams, when a Match King would blow-up and leave the target splattered with a lead star-burst, while the same weight and velocity Game King would knock the target off its stand.

Shoot a 7MM Rem mag with the 175 gr Game Kings loaded to 2,800 FPS.

They are devastating and highly accurate at long yardage, capable of 1/2 MOA out of my slightly modified production hunting rifle.

Rather than take the chance of a match bullet not working all the time, suggest use of the Sierra Game King, or as an alternate the Nosler ballistic tips.

James Whitten
01-16-2009, 11:16 AM
Good info.I think I will try out some game kings.

Art Cheney
01-18-2009, 03:43 PM
Any one have any experience using the SMK on deer size game?Im thinking of trying the 6.5 140gr. for deer out of my 264 Win Mag.Lots of choices out there but happen to have a box sitting here and was wondering.How well will they expand at 3200 fps muzzle velocity.They are very accurate out of my gun. They won't expand at all, the meplat may deform, thats all. If the jacket come off this may help or hinder! Why use a bullet not designed for hunting when the many ballistic types are availible? You should also check your local hunting laws; here in Kansas using a non expandable bullet, FMJ, etc will land you in jail. Good hunting. ART

Jackson~in~GA
01-25-2009, 07:10 PM
James, I have been using the 264 for deer for 20 years, and have shot about every bullet you can get down the tube of it. I used to shoot alot on crop depradation permits for deer here, and it gave me the option to experiment with different bullets. Fisrt off, I have never had a penetration problem with any of the 264's that I have used. Almost all shots exited the deer even my fursthest deer kill at 607yds entered broadside a little back from the shoulders. That shot was made using a 140gr sierra game king. The matchkings that I tried a short while were unpredictable at best. MOST would just pass thru with no expansion. The others would severely fragment on impact. My main rifle that I hunt with now I built a couple years ago on a model 70 action with a 28" shilen barrel. I pretty much used the game kings for my deer bullet, but the past couple years I have been using the Hornady SST. I've found the 140gr shoots groups as tight as any bullet I have used, and there performance has been VERY good. They expand, pass thru leaving a blood trail, and hold together. The later is something I have had trouble with when using the Nosler BT's at higher velocities. In my 24" barrel factory model 70 I use the 129gr SST's with good results.

James Whitten
01-25-2009, 07:34 PM
Now thats the kind of info I need.EXPERIENCE!!:D

Ackleyredmist
01-27-2009, 01:28 PM
I've only used mk's a few times on larger game animals but they have worked very well. now i use berger vld's and they are absolutely amazing on animals. just like they claim, they enter about 2 or so inches before violently expanding. never had an animal take a step from a 6.5 140 vld and a high shoulder shot