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crb
12-17-2008, 05:30 PM
Could single stroke pnematics be lumped in with the springer class? I know that a the FWB 300's and clones are recoilless which makes them much better than a conventional bbl or lever cocking springer. Would a high end SSP out shoot a FWB 300 ?

Plan B. Instead of a 'Springer' class call it a 'mechanical stroke' or 'manual stroke' or 'lever action' or ??????

Although I haven't fired a springer or SSP off a BR rest it would seem to me that the biggest disadvantage to a recoilless springer would be the energy used working the lever and the upsetting of the rifle on the bags before each shot. Right now an SSP would have to shoot in Match or Unlimited where it would be at a huge disadvantage.

Ray

DonMatzeder
12-17-2008, 06:01 PM
They say a 300 is recoiless but it is not. The stock does not move but the action does. This hurts accuracy and the recoil is the reason that springers have a seperate class. An SSP shoots with the same system as any PCP and should shoot with them.

blades
12-18-2008, 09:45 AM
An SSP is at a slight disadvantage vs a PCP as it needs to be charged for each shot requiring removal from the rests. Accuracy wise in the match rifle class they are quite equal. SSP vs Springer no contest, the ssp in the same velocity range as a springer will out shoot a springer off the rests. In the classic offhand position all three types are about equal except for operator fatigue. ( standard match 60 shots over about 1.5 hour time including sighters, for men. 40 shots for the gals. That may have change some since I was involved)

nlieber
12-18-2008, 09:46 AM
Don't the SSP's generally put out power (7 ft lbs or less) that puts them in the Match class?

DonMatzeder
12-18-2008, 09:50 AM
Yes, they are match guns and shoot in the match class. They could shoot in the open class also if they choose.

crb
12-18-2008, 06:30 PM
Personally I think the SSP would be at a huge disadvantage versus a pcp or co2. Not only does it get upset on the bags before every shot you also lose a lot of time in the process and this will limit the number of sighters you will be able to shoot. Also the length time between shots will be quite long and odds are the condition will change before you get off the record shot after a sighter.

These issues are why I was thinking the SSP might be a good fit competing against the springers. There was an Annie 2001 SSP on Brads last night for less than $600 [ I didn't buy it, I'm spent out !!! ] and I also have a Daisy 717. Since SSP's don't require any support equipment they are very convenient to shoot a lot.

DonMatzeder
12-18-2008, 09:04 PM
You are right that they would be at a disadvantage against the PCP guns. That's the reason they were competitive about a year before they were obsolete. That does not mean that it would be fair to shoot them against the springers that have recoil to deal with as well as cocking.