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bob hardy
12-04-2008, 02:59 PM
The best groups I have shot with my Savage .223 were with Ultramax 68gr. Hornady match reloads. About $25 for 50. Best 2 groups were .123 and .149. I haven't been able to achieve any .1s in my various reloads. Thus far, I've used Varget and 4198 powder, and Sierra MK 69gr. and some old 68gr. Noslers which aren't made anymore. The brl. has a 1-9 twist. Any fave loads of you .223 Savage shooters. BTW, I just bought some 68gr. Hornadys, but haven't reloaded for them yet. I sure would like to duplicate that Ultramax load.
Bob

longrange223
12-04-2008, 03:14 PM
try the sierra 53 gr match hollow point on top of 25 gr of h-322,might surprise you,mine loves the lighter bullets & puts them in the .1's consistantly for 3 shot groups at about 3400 fps over the chrony

david dumas
12-04-2008, 04:18 PM
53gr sierra Matchkings, 52gr Bergers or 52gr Fowler/Schieder bullets over 25.0grs of Vitvh N-133 in Lapua Brass, works in my Savage 12PLRV or Tikka T-3

the wind is my friend,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

DD

gpoldblue
12-04-2008, 05:30 PM
Mr. Dumas--I too have Savage LRPV .223 1/9. I have been looking for a load w/ N-133. Do you seat "jam,just,off the rifling" and by how much? I'm using neck turned Lapua(.0125"),F205's. I thought N-133 was a little "fast" for .223 as I use it in my 6PPC. Could you tell me what size groups @ 200yds you're getting. I'm trying for 1/2" or less @ 2. Thank you. gpoldblue:)

DaRealViper
12-05-2008, 02:34 AM
Gld blue Try 23.2gr N133 I've tried this with AA2015br Almost the same speed as N133.

Bob Try 23.1gr H4895 with 69gr smk 2.26"OAL CCI 200 Primers.

bob hardy
12-05-2008, 07:07 AM
Thanks for the quick replies. I haven't tried any light bullets except the Rem. UMC 55grs I bought on sale at Bass Pro when I first bought the gun. Both Savage and Black Hills recommended the 68 to 75 gr. bullets for the 9-1 twist. I'll give the 52 SMKs a try.
Bob

savet06
12-06-2008, 07:37 PM
Savage 10fp with some action work by Fred at Sharp shooter supply, and one of his competition triggers. I have had very good luck with 69gr sierra smk's with 25.5gr varget .005 off the lands...1/2 minute gun. It will dip into the .3's on occasion (especially when I am paying attention to the flags) but for the most part the groups shoot with boring regularity at the .5moa mark.
52gr Hornady BTHP with 23.5gr N133 or 26gr Varget shoot .8-1.2" at 200.
The 69gr SMK's have the edge in overall consistency in my rifle. I can keep it to .5-.75moa out to 550yds (the farthest I've shot thus far), and at 200yds I have shot it down to .5" but this is more rare.
Have also had fair luck with hornady 75gr A-max with 23.5-24gr varget. Not as consistent as the 69gr, but will average 1" at 200yds.
Hope this helps.
Mike

f d shuster
12-08-2008, 08:18 AM
Bought a new Savage mdl. 10FP in August 2000, and over the years, and 2550 rds. tried a varity of recommended loads. The "winner" was always 24 to 25 grs. of Varget with the Sierra 69 gr. #1380, seated anywhere from .020" off the lands to touch, did not seem to matter. Barrel has just been replaced with a Hart 1-8, same contour, but now with a Bell & Carlson stock & a Zeiss 6.5-20x. The above load will be my "mid-range", ( 2 to 300 yd) combo. Recommended bullet weight, included with the paper work from Savage, was a 69gr., and they were absolutely correct for this rifle/barrel.

yotebuster1200
01-02-2009, 08:55 AM
I shoot a 69 gr MK. behind 24.4 gr of AA2230 and a CCI benchrest primer. I have used winchester brass and military brass and they both shoot in the high .1's and the low .2's. I have some lapua brass to load up and try next.

My gun does have some work done to it. It had an accurizing package done at savage gunsmithing and a trigger job. We also bedded the action. It is a fun gun to shoot and I am sure it would stay under .5 at 200 consistently.

My dad has the same gun and gun work done to it and it shoots just as well with the same load

OldHoward
01-02-2009, 10:07 AM
Hi I had good results from my 1:9 sSavage using 73 gr. Bergers and Varget and cci benchrest primers. Try between 24 to 25 grains of Varget.
I also had good luck with 55 gr Noslers BT with cci benchrest primers and benchmark powder around 26 grains and work up.

Donnie Nash
01-03-2009, 12:16 AM
Try this 26.0 grains n-133 52 Eubers hard into the lands works for me

thehippy77
01-03-2009, 01:11 AM
I got lucky with my savage it will shoot just about any thing as long as it is in to the lands hard. Best for me is 26g of varget and 70g berger vld. This thing will shoot in the ones with this load. I use rem brass 26g may not fit in better brass.

savage12LRPV
01-06-2009, 11:44 PM
what about a 1:7 twist LRPV any good loads for it?

steyrl
01-07-2009, 01:51 AM
Savage LRPV 1:7 twist
69grn Nosler Custom Competition
Powder: BM2 Load: 22.4grns
Case: Nosler
Primer: Federal GM205M
Base to Ogive Length: 1.930"
Range: 100yds Average Velocity: 2813.95fps 5 Shot Group Size: 0.409"

69grn Sierra Match King
Powder: BM2 Load: 21.2grns
Case: Nosler
Primer: Federal GM205M
Base to Ogive Length: 1.928"
Range: 100yds Average Velocity: N/A 5 Shot Group Size: 0.471"

DaRealViper
01-07-2009, 02:41 AM
Ausie mate if BM2 is Benchmark 2 from ADI Hodgdon Powders. Try 21.8gr

23.3gr with the 69gr smk and Fed 205m or CCI 400.

steyrl
01-08-2009, 01:18 AM
Giday DaRealViper,
Thanks for the advice, I'll certainly try your suggested loadings and wil keep you informed of the results.
As an aside, I'm developing a load using 80grn Sierra MatchKings using ADI AR2219 powder.
I went to the range today with the following results.
Case: Nosler
Powder: AR2219 21.5grns
Primer: Federal GM205M
Bullet seated 0.010 from rifling
Range: 100yds 5 Shot Group Size: 0.931 4 shots 0.309 ( 1st shot out of the group).
Same again but bullet seated .005 from rifling 5 shot Group Size: 0.655 4 shots 0.289 (once again 1st shot out of the group).
I'm going to try a fouler shot before I shoot a 5 shot group next time and I'm also going to try 0.0025 off the rifling. The 21.5grn load is not maximum and the average velocity is still under maximum with no sign obvious signs of excessive pressure.
Once again I'll shoot rhough the Chrony and keep a close eye on pressure signs.
THanks once again.

DaRealViper
01-08-2009, 01:58 AM
http://www.adi-limited.com/handloaders-guide/equivalents.asp

The loads I listed are for ADI BM2 our Hodgdon Benchmark equivalent.

BM1 is closer to VVN133

The powder AR2219 is Hodgdon H322 or RL 10x here.

I load 21.8gr of H322 this with 55gr. Shoots nice at 200yds.

Sounds like your gettin that rifle dialed in pretty good.


Gday

DaRealViper
01-08-2009, 02:01 AM
Another tip a SWAT sniper give me is clean your rifles. Fire 3 rounds and store them. When needed no foulers required 1 shot does the trick.

Not best for range rifles but critters in the outback or defense scenarios.

steyrl
01-09-2009, 01:46 AM
You must be reading my mind. I AM considering trying AR2219 (H322) on the lighter projectiles; especially now since your getting "nice" results at 200yds with the 55grn.

Thanks for the info mate; I really aprciate it!

gpoldblue
01-24-2009, 05:06 PM
:)DaDaRealViper----- I have a Savage LRPV,.223Rem,1/9. If I may ask,what size are your AVERAGE 200yd groups and are they 3 shot or 5 shot groups. Thank you very much. I appreciate your article. gpoldblue

steyrl
01-28-2009, 12:48 AM
Gidday gpoldblue,

Glad to hear you've got a Savage LRPV! What projectiles do you use and what are some of the results.:)

caroby
01-28-2009, 10:58 AM
Bought a new Savage mdl. 10FP in August 2000, and over the years, and 2550 rds. tried a varity of recommended loads. The "winner" was always 24 to 25 grs. of Varget with the Sierra 69 gr. #1380, seated anywhere from .020" off the lands to touch, did not seem to matter. Barrel has just been replaced with a Hart 1-8, same contour, but now with a Bell & Carlson stock & a Zeiss 6.5-20x. The above load will be my "mid-range", ( 2 to 300 yd) combo. Recommended bullet weight, included with the paper work from Savage, was a 69gr., and they were absolutely correct for this rifle/barrel.

Ditto..........

Also look at H or IMR 4895 behind that 69gr Sierra... As well as VV135 and H BLC-2 .....
cale

gpoldblue
01-29-2009, 01:49 PM
I'm having very good results w/
69gn Sierra
24.0gn VV-N140
Lapua brass neck turned to .0125" & using .247" bushing
F205's
Seating=.010" off lands

200yd grps=5 shots in 6's & 7's w/ 4 shots in 3's-4's


73gn Berger
25.0gn H4895
same brass,primer,seating depth

200yd=5 shot +/-.500(best 5=.436")

52gn Sierra
26.5gn WW-748
same brass,primer,bullet "just"touching

200yd=.5"-.6"(best .399")

My rifle has a Savage F class stock,bedding,action work,and 36X Leupold.
Using wind flags in various conditions. Right now my running average group is mid 6's @ 200yds for 5 shot groups. gpoldblue

steyrl
01-30-2009, 01:41 AM
Thanks for sharing your results, gpoldblue. Much appreciated.

DaRealViper
01-31-2009, 03:21 AM
GPOLDBLUE

At 200yds would be 3rounds inside a nickel sized smiley face. Except if I ignore the wind speed then they jump around some.

gpoldblue
01-31-2009, 04:30 PM
Good shootin'! Glad you're doing so well with your rifle. Keep up the good work.
I really enjoy experimenting with different components and learning how to use wind flags. Our local 200yard range has a VERY large oak tree right in the middle and causes some difficult wind conditions(switches and eddys).
200yards is ALOT more difficult than 100yards as you well know,but I enjoy the challenges.
I appreciate the reply-Thank you. gpoldblue

DickTheShooter
02-10-2009, 04:47 PM
In my Savage 12 BVSS i shoot 68 g hornady BTHP pushed by 24 grains of h335 with a winchester SR primmer C.O.L is 2.33 these will not feed from mag tho
Dick The Shooter

ForneyRider
03-10-2009, 06:00 PM
Remington brass weight sorted, trimmed to 1.76, full-length sized, and chamfered.
Fed 205 primer
75gr Hornady BTHP weight sorted and seated 2.54-2.55in
24gr R15
Shooting out of DPMS AR 20in with 1:9 bull barrel.

These chronied over 3000fps. Not sure how, other than my short OAL.

I didn't have as much luck with 69gr SMK and Varget loads. So I may pull those and replace with R15.

I used to flinch at weight sorting, but I picked up the RCBS chargemaster and it is quick to sort through components.

ryan_v2006
05-07-2009, 08:27 PM
Ive justthe basic 12 FV. Still a 1/9 barrel. I have loaded light bullets since i bought it. Ive gone clear down to the 40 grain nosler B-tips. Ive never had a bullet perform worse than the 53 gr Berger. Loaded them with 27.5 grains of varget i think. I bought a hundred of them. Out of a hundred maybe sixty of them made it to the seventy five yard mark. They just exploded. I have NEVER had a forty grain nosler or hornady do that.