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roninflag
09-28-2008, 11:56 AM
72 replies so far for the savage thread. when is remington going to wake up?? and make a 6.5-284??

billt
10-03-2008, 01:26 PM
Savage is run by shooters, Remington by bean counters, at least it was until Cerberus Capitol Management bought them out. I heard the head of Ceberus is a big gun guy, so we'll see. Bill T.

Bnhpr
10-06-2008, 12:22 AM
Savage is run by shooters, Remington by bean counters, at least it was until Cerberus Capitol Management bought them out. I heard the head of Ceberus is a big gun guy, so we'll see. Bill T.

Maybe he should browse through this forum.

The savage is $1265 in a 13.30lb rifle, they should be embarrassed to call F-class. Does anyone actually compete with those?

I can build a real f-classer, Mcmillan stock, Broughton Barrel, 700 action for $1500. add $500 for custom action. Done.

Ben

John Kielly
10-06-2008, 02:49 AM
Ben,

That $1500 include your gunsmithing costs?

John

Rustystud
10-06-2008, 04:12 AM
Cerberus Capitol Management is taking Remington in a new direction, rather in an old direction for gun manufactures. They know with the military action in Araq and other places that the military is going to have to resupply/arm themself. They are prepping to get those contracts. The ecconomy is on a down swing and Wally World the largest buyer of Remington hunting rifles is going out of the gun business. Remington is doing what it has to to stay in business. Savage is a much smaller company and they are going after the market Remngton and others are giving up. As they say in business follow the money.
Rustystud

Bnhpr
10-06-2008, 08:08 AM
Ben,

That $1500 include your gunsmithing costs?

John

I do my own machine work....but add it up.

700 Action $350
MCM F Class or tooley Stock $424
Broughton/Krieger Barrel $350
Shipping for parts $50

Gunsmithing $???say $500...


$1750

John Kielly
10-06-2008, 05:02 PM
Thanks, Ben.

I saw you were a machinist, just wanted to know if you had factored in those costs.

It's difficult to get a quick handle on US costs from here in Australia.

Thanks

John

roninflag
10-11-2008, 03:27 PM
BEN- remington trigger ? shilen trigger, or jewel??

roninflag
10-11-2008, 03:30 PM
BEN- gunsmithing ? 150 chamber and thread, 150 to bed ?? and 125 to true the action??

jnclement
10-12-2008, 10:23 PM
Not really comparing apples to apples when you can do your own machining. So the average guy has to throw in another $500-1000 for gunsmithing, unless you're offering to do everyone's for free. How many people do you think can do that? And let's see, factory Savages won 3 of the top 5 places at last years F-Class Nationals, and the SOA.

Remington is still flying totally on the reputation and branding they did in the 60's, don't look for a modern caliber or twist any time soon.

roninflag
10-13-2008, 05:30 PM
inclement- "3 of the top 5 at nationals" . was that factory class or against all ??

milanuk
10-13-2008, 11:12 PM
There is no 'factory' class. There is Open and Target Rifle (TR), period. Use a factory rifle, or a full-blown custom, it doesn't matter.

Last year SOA/Fullbore, 1st & 3rd F/TR were Savage 12 F/TRs - essentially stock (one had been bedded). 2007 FCNC, 2nd & 3rd F/TR were Savage 12 F/TRs. 2008 SOA, only two F/TR shooters showed up. One took 15th out of 27 overall - Open & TR, all calibers. 2008 FCNC, 3rd F/TR was one of the brandy new Savage 12 Palma rifles.

Five out of ten of the USA F/TR team going to England next year are shooting Savage rifles... four of them factory rifles (caveat - those shooters are also members of Savage's F/TR team).

Could the other companies like Remington, Winchester (whoever owns them this month), etc. make good platforms for competitive rifles? Sure. Both Winchester and Remington used to do just that years ago. For whatever reason they both abandoned the people who wanted a nice factory match gun, and Savage seems to be stepping up to the plate. A Savage target action with target accutrigger, recoil lug, and barrel nut is in the low $400 range. A person can get a ready made rig from the factory, or shoulder a bit more of the responsibility and build one to suit given the time and inclination. Neither way is more 'right', in my opinion.

Monte

Team Savage
Team USA F/TR

Bnhpr
10-14-2008, 04:19 AM
inclement- "3 of the top 5 at nationals" . was that factory class or against all ??

I agree that Savage is making a great effort for shooters, and their barrels are quite good as well. But, I do not care for the trigger, or the action construction.

I am of the opinion that the action does not matter though, and barrel is way more important.

I have shot a 12 heavy, against a factory remington xr-100 .308, and the XR outshoots this particular Savage.

I am surprised to see so many F-class Savage stock rifles though? The guys I know shooting F-class are using customs and 700's?

One last question... what is the neck on those savage F-class 6.5x284?

ChipEckardt
10-17-2008, 08:13 PM
Another issue is speed. I had a custom rifle built a couple years ago. VERY well made--but took one year to get built. I went to local gun store and purchased a Savage F-12 for $989 (plus tax) and walked out with it 20 minutes later. Shoots better than I can aim:-)

-Chip-

roninflag
03-09-2009, 03:27 PM
ruger is coming out with a 6.5 creedmore. remington still in a holding patern.

ozfclass
03-17-2009, 03:15 AM
As a few posters above have alluded to, a major advantage of the Savage 12F is that you can buy it off the shelf. We have a 12F in 6BR as a club rifle for new shooters to try the sport. If they have a good shoot with it (and most do) their first question often is, "where can I get a rifle like this?" And its great to be able to say "you can order one at the local sports store, and it'll be here in a week or two".

Some will prefer to wait as long as it takes to get the custom rifle of their dreams, but these 12Fs will sell well, because they are meeting a need which has not been met up till now.

Alan