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Centerfire
09-10-2008, 01:28 PM
For what it is worth I would like to pass along a bit of information I have learned.
Don't leave your ear muffs on the bench when going down range unless you leave them in a zip lock bag.
I left mine on the bench and a unseen visitor (spider) got in my muffs and decided to indulge my tasty ear. That night it seemed to be a mosquito bite.
Two weeks later it is still hurting and not healed.
Been doing this a long time and you learn something new every day.
:)
Centerfire

alinwa
09-10-2008, 01:31 PM
Have you been to a doctor about it?

If not, and if you get blotchy skin or what looks like bruising anywhere on your body GO, please!

al

chino69
09-10-2008, 01:40 PM
Have you been to a doctor about it?

If not, and if you get blotchy skin or what looks like bruising anywhere on your body GO, please!

al

We had an employee bitten by a harmless looking spider last year. He ended up at Johns Hopkins and is lucky to be alive. Like Al just said; heed the advice.
Chino69

Centerfire
09-10-2008, 03:05 PM
Thanks Al & Chino,
I just have two small spots on the edge of my ear and they are about the size of a q-tip each. soreness mild but swelling of node in neck now going down but still have a head ache.
Looked up Web MD and they say the symptoms should go away in a month or so. And there are a lot more symptoms that I do not have.
The area has some necrosis (tissue damage) and looks like a small ulcer. I empathize small.
If it doesn't get a little better I guess I'd better see the DR.
Thanks
Centerfire

alinwa
09-10-2008, 03:58 PM
Hey....let me be clear here, I don't advocate dr's for much! I'm self employed with no insurance, I've paid my own way for 25yrs of marriage and 9 kids without a drop of state aid. We don't run to the doc at the drop of a hat. But this spider thing will creep up on ya, just keep an eye on yourself and keep somebody on call to drive you in if need be.

I personally know 4 folks who've had possibly life threatening experiences with spider bites. One of them, a local building inspector, showed no real symptoms for almost a month. He got to feeling run down and went in for a checkup (He DOES have insurance :D State Job) and then another. He ended up really sick and the doctors had him in bed "for observation" when his daughter came to visit him in hospital. She was an RN from another state, one with more spiders, and immediately recognized the symptoms. Long story short, he's fine but it was kinda' close.


soooo, all's I'm sayin' is....... keep an eye on it ;)


al

Centerfire
09-10-2008, 04:42 PM
Thanks Al, if it doesn't get better by tomorrow morning I'm going in.:)
Centerfire

John Kielly
09-10-2008, 04:54 PM
Way, way off topic, I was loading one night when my balance went haywire - just after a baby spider launched its way into eternity under one of the knife edges. You wouldn't believe how much resistance a beastie smaller than a pinhead gives when squished. If I hadn't seen it land, I might still be scratching my head. :confused:

Don
09-10-2008, 06:50 PM
For what it is worth I would like to pass along a bit of information I have learned.
Don't leave your ear muffs on the bench when going down range unless you leave them in a zip lock bag.
I left mine on the bench and a unseen visitor (spider) got in my muffs and decided to indulge my tasty ear. That night it seemed to be a mosquito bite.
Two weeks later it is still hurting and not healed.
Been doing this a long time and you learn something new every day.
:)
Centerfire

Where do you think most of those spiders are hiding out............under the benchtops, just about level high where your knee caps are when sitting on a shooting stool, assuming the position, at least that is the way it is with my long legs.

Ive swept out more "blackwidow" spiders under benchtops than Ive shot screamer groups, and that is alot. I am surprised we dont see more "blackwidow" bites in the leg areas......................Don

MColeman
09-10-2008, 07:31 PM
Thanks Al & Chino,
I just have two small spots on the edge of my ear and they are about the size of a q-tip each. soreness mild but swelling of node in neck now going down but still have a head ache.
Looked up Web MD and they say the symptoms should go away in a month or so. And there are a lot more symptoms that I do not have.
The area has some necrosis (tissue damage) and looks like a small ulcer. I empathize small.
If it doesn't get a little better I guess I'd better see the DR.
Thanks
Centerfire
The last thing you ever want to hear your doctor say is, "If you'd only come in sooner."

alinwa
09-10-2008, 07:41 PM
So the doctor says "Well, I've got God News and I've got Bad News...... which do you want first?"

"Well, howsa'bout dat GOOD news first....."

"They're naming a disease after you".

:eek:

al

blades
09-11-2008, 09:20 AM
Most spiders bites contain an enzyeme that breaks tissue down to a liqufied state. Acts a lot like that flesh eating bacteria that pops up every so often in the news reports and such. Some like the Black widow have additional properties. If left unchecked it will travel & really cause havoc. I have been clipped twice in the last 4 months. (rehabing a house) Get to the Doc now.

Centerfire
09-11-2008, 12:59 PM
Just returned from the doctors office, a little poorer but received two perscriptions. I appreciate the wisdom of you all and your experiences.
Thank for the information. :)
Centerfire

alinwa
09-11-2008, 02:21 PM
Good On Ya Man!!!


Now let's see that headache go away. It'll be a nice indication that the lowgrade icky-stuff is being knocked out by the prescription....


al

Dave Coots
09-22-2008, 03:42 PM
When your Mother told you not to put anything smaller than your elbow in your ear, she also meant spiders:rolleyes:

Later
Dave

Rustystud
09-23-2008, 04:07 AM
You have received a lot of good advice about spider bites.

My nephew awoke from a sound sleep finding a bat had gotten in the house and was biting him on the nose. He got up and turned on the light. His nose was bleading pretty good. The bat escaped and was not to be found again. My nephew went to the emergency room and was started on rabies shots. Eleven shots to be exact. and they cost him over $10,000.00.

All bites should be considered serious. I have a friend who is diabetic. He got chiggers on his foot and they would not heal developing into ulcers, then they got infected and he had to have his foot amputated.

Get your bites tended to.

Rustystud

Centerfire
09-23-2008, 09:30 AM
Thanks to all. The antibiodic has worked and the ear is about back to normal.
I now keep the ear muffs in a clear zip lock bag.:)
Centerfire

Paul Fielder
09-23-2008, 11:50 AM
...the trailer and all the deer blinds at the ranch every month or so.

Never thought about the hunting bags!! Yikes!!

I have to carry around an epi pen kit cuz I'm allergic to insect bites like bees and wasps. Dr. told me to watch out for spiders but never been hit yet.

Scary stuff!!

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Big Al
09-23-2008, 12:26 PM
Black widow bite= pain now!

Brown recluse= pain, days later! Damage goes on progressively. Can cause problems for more than a year.

Dennis Sorensen
09-23-2008, 01:07 PM
Toxic little buggers!

Here is a very short video showing how bad it can get over a few days.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/763756/brown_recluse_spider_bite_pictures_and_info/

COMP
09-23-2008, 03:27 PM
Black widow bite= pain now!

Brown recluse= pain, days later! Damage goes on progressively. Can cause problems for more than a year.

i have had 3 of those,,brown's

HovisKM
09-23-2008, 04:40 PM
I've seen a lot of bites in the army and spiders are the worst that are common. Especially the brown recluse. Their venom is like a rattle snake in how it breaks down tissue and the browns' are harder to stop the spread of the venom. I also read where the average human swalows at least 18 spiders in his lifetime. Most of which happen in your sleep.....no kidding!!!

Hovis

COMP
09-23-2008, 04:47 PM
I've seen a lot of bites in the army and spiders are the worst that are common. Especially the brown recluse. Their venom is like a rattle snake in how it breaks down tissue and the browns' are harder to stop the spread of the venom. I also read where the average human swalows at least 18 spiders in his lifetime. Most of which happen in your sleep.....no kidding!!!

Hovis

they used a small taszer on one of my bites,,it was within 24 hours

speedpro
09-26-2008, 11:57 PM
had a "granny" that got a widow bite on er thigh, the skin appeared to liquify aro., 2" dia.
Had a puppydog that swallowed a "brown recluse" spider musta bit em on the way down, dog got very sick, looked to have the parvo virus, a dog angel saved er.
Watch out for waspers under those benchtops too, :eek:

John Kielly
09-27-2008, 04:47 AM
Gee, it's great to live in Australia where we don't have this problem. Any spider bite here worth worrying about will kill you, so it's all good. :D

jackie schmidt
09-27-2008, 10:37 AM
Yeh, I watch the Discovery Channel religiously. It seems at least once a week they have some feature about some critter in Australia that can kill you out right.

I think the scariest is that darned Funnel Web Spider. Just seeing one of those would make me want to live some where else

At Midland, it is not uncommon to see Black Widows in the Garbage Cans.

A couple of years ago,I had a small pimple appear on my forarm. In two days, it turned into a rather larger pimple. In two more days, I had a gut feeling it wasn't a pimple.

I went to a doctor, he said it was some sort of 6 leg or 8 leg critter bite. Gave me some antibiotics to ward off infection.

It took a month for that to heal. The scar looks like a Small Pox Vaccine.

In east Houston, we have a really bad string of Staff Bacteria floating around. It is called MRSA, for Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureas. One of my men got it on his arm, and only a special double Anti-biotic Regiment got rid of it, after a month.

The reason I mention this is they gave him a readout sheet that says that many who contract this think at first that it is a spider bite, as it starts out the same way,a small pimple. The Doctor even might assume it is a bite. But it is advised to get on the Double Anti-biotic regiment just in case.

Incicidentally, this did not exist here 15 years ago. It has been brought into large population areas, such as Houston, by immigrants......jackie

chino69
09-27-2008, 05:43 PM
All bites should be considered serious. I have a friend who is diabetic. He got chiggers on his foot and they would not heal developing into ulcers, then they got infected and he had to have his foot amputated.

Rustystud

Chiggers; now there's a beasty worthy of some merit. I got into some chiggers about ten years ago and it was one of the worst insect experiences I've ever had. They ended up boring into my skin and itched so bad that I would scratch until i bled. Finally, after several weeks of torture, burning the bedsheets, quilt, and pillows, I went to the doctor. He gave me a Rx. for an ointment that I applied from the balls of my feet to my ears. After two applications, I was chigger free.
Chino69

Ian_Owen
09-27-2008, 06:46 PM
All this talk makes me think how lucky I am to live in New Zealand........no snakes but we do have white tail spiders from Australia and they aren't common.

alinwa
09-27-2008, 08:29 PM
All this talk makes me think how lucky I am to live in New Zealand........no snakes but we do have white tail spiders from Australia and they aren't common.


Yeahhh, but stay above ground cuz you guys have got cavewights and Balrogs!!


al

John Kielly
09-28-2008, 03:22 AM
Yeahhh, but stay above ground cuz you guys have got cavewights and Balrogs!!
And bloody great underground nests of mankilling wasps - and Tolkein didn't invent them!

David Valdina
09-30-2008, 10:03 PM
I have got myself in the habit of looking down the barrel to be sure it's clear every time. Probably nothing will crawl in, but better safe than sorry.

alinwa
10-01-2008, 02:39 AM
I have got myself in the habit of looking down the barrel to be sure it's clear every time. Probably nothing will crawl in, but better safe than sorry.

Ohhh yes David......stuff CAN and DOES crawl in. I've got a gun in my safe right now, came in last week, 300WSM where the jag came off at the muzzle and didn't get caught in time. THIS ONE was harmless...... but the two being discussed over on the CF board most certainly were not! I'll try to post pictures of the muzzle, suffice to say "she don't shoot so good no more!"

That's a great habit, I'm trying to build the same. Wish me luck.


al

speedpro
10-01-2008, 06:40 AM
had a "granny" that got a widow bite on er thigh, the skin appeared to liquify aro., 2" dia.
Had a puppydog that swallowed a "brown recluse" spider musta bit em on the way down, dog got very sick, looked to have the parvo virus, a dog angel saved er.
Watch out for waspers under those benchtops too, :eek:

Be careful with open soda can's outdoors, bee's and yellow jackets are attracted to the sweet syrup and when your distracted they'll get insside your can. You can imagine the suprise that's in store for you ! :eek::eek:

John Kielly
10-01-2008, 06:53 AM
Be careful with open soda can's outdoors, bee's and yellow jackets are attracted to the sweet syrup and when your distracted they'll get insside your can.
It's even worse here in Australia. The rotten little @#**&%s get inside beer bottles. :mad:

speedpro
10-01-2008, 07:18 AM
It's even worse here in Australia. The rotten little @#**&%s get inside beer bottles. :mad:

must be something in those "Fosters" they like. :)

David Valdina
10-01-2008, 08:20 AM
after death, some of us shooters come back in insect form and frequent the ranges we so loved. As John observes "It's even worse here in Australia. The rotten little @#**&%s get inside beer bottles." And if I come back in similar form, loving beer as I do, it may be me, so be kindly in your cursing and be willing to share a sip or two. By the way, cremation may prevent this. If so, have your ashes fine ground and mixed in with the powder of your choice and spend your last being shot from guns. I have made an ash of myself in life, why not in death ?

TomD
10-01-2008, 06:20 PM
Everyone is freaky about one animal or another, large spiders are my personal horror. For some reason I watched this for a couple of months outside my window. Here it is wrapping up lunch.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x229/TomD77/misc%20stuff/DSC03772.jpg

Gerry Nordmann
10-04-2008, 01:00 PM
The picture of the Florida spider wraping it's lunch is pretty scary. Is your dog missing ??? From the picture that spider looks pretty BIG. <eek>

adamsgt
10-10-2008, 08:43 PM
I have sleep apnea and I sleep with a full face mask for my cpap machine. In the morning I usually leave the mask laying on the night stand until I put it on again when going to bed. Now I'll have nightmares about some creepy crawly thing coming up the hose into my nose. :eek: Now I'll never get a good nights sleep again.

David Valdina
10-10-2008, 08:52 PM
Well, if you don't sleep, maybe your wife can. Just goofing. My Brother-In-Law has that and the family all suffer. Maybe leave a large zip-lok bag for the mask when not in use ? I did read we all intake some small spiders etc. while sleeping. Best not to dwell on it.

Rock63
10-10-2008, 09:54 PM
I have always been in the habit of getting everything set up at the range, then just before sitting down to fire, I run a dry mop thru the bore to remove any remaining accumulated oil from the cleaning process. That should eliminate any of these horror stories at the same time.