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Yote
08-04-2008, 08:16 PM
An obscure Muslim ethnic group has attacked a border patrol station in China, killing 16 policemen by ramming their dumptruck into the compound and throwing hand grenades. This just days before the Olympics.

Do they really want to tangle with China??:confused:

nrb
08-04-2008, 10:10 PM
Yote, in the koran, all believers are instructed to conquer and convert all non-believers. You can read it for yourself. I think this explains the last 1500 years of islamic history.

best, nrb

Paul Fielder
08-04-2008, 10:10 PM
...haven't heard of this??

We're treading water here on our rules I think Yote.

If they mess w/ the Olympics & China....watch out.

pm me if you want to kick this around.

pf

vinny
08-04-2008, 10:35 PM
Count me in on the PM. I would love to discuss it without being scolded.
vinny

Peter
08-04-2008, 11:19 PM
An obscure Muslim ethnic group has attacked a border patrol station in China, killing 16 policemen by ramming their dumptruck into the compound and throwing hand grenades. This just days before the Olympics.

Do they really want to tangle with China??:confused:

It will be interesting to see what China will put up with, how they retaliate,and what they say to the people that tell them they handled it incorrectly. This should be good.

John Kielly
08-04-2008, 11:29 PM
An obscure Muslim ethnic group has attacked a border patrol station in China, killing 16 policemen by ramming their dumptruck into the compound and throwing hand grenades. This just days before the Olympics.

Yote,

It isn't exactly a terrorist group in the way we normally label them. There is a state in North-western China that's fighting for their independence, the same way Tibet is & for that manner, the same way the USSR dissolved into a number of ethnic states after glasnost.

I wonder if we would call them terrorists if they didn't coincidentally happen to be Muslims? A lot of you guys stateside certainly didn't consider that the Irish Republican Army were terrorists when they attacked civilians in Britain, so maybe it's a tad tough to describe an attack of the residents of that area against the subjugating police force as a terrorist attack.

Isn't ths the very reason why you defend your right to keep & bear arms?

John

J. Valentine
08-05-2008, 02:41 AM
Think you are slightly off target there John. The attackers are living in a province of China under Chinese law. They don't have a right to attack anyone for the purpose of gaining some kind of succession from China.
They are people living in China not in a seperate country.
The area was once controlled by Mongolia but is now recognised as part of China. The majority are Uighurs, Muslims who speak a language related to Turkish.
So by your thinking it would be ok for Queenslanders to attack New South Wales people to gain their independence from Australia.
The attackers are terrorists plain and simple because they are attacking and killing people that have no connection to them in anyway other than a target for their independence agenda. Terrorise the public until the Government gives you some concession. Standard operating procedures for terrorists.
As far as Tibet is concerned it has always been a province of China by international definition . Although Islam is not being shut down in China but Buddhisim is being shut down in Tibet so Tibet does have a genuine beef . You can blame idiots like the Dali Lama for just going along decade after decade thinking that China would just let them have independance one day . Just like Hong Kong thinking that the Brittish or UN will step in when the lease was over and hand them their independance .
Was never going to happen because Hong Kong was a business deal and the lease was up. Tiawan is the interesting one because they actually have some balls and they have operated as a seperate country , but I digress.

Yote
08-05-2008, 06:50 AM
Paul, that crossed my mind and if the mods think it needs to go I'll delete it myself. I look at it as more of a world event than political but will understand if they see it differently.

John, I didn't say it was a terrorist group, but a terrorist attack. That being said, I read several articles on this and a couple of them stated that the Uigurs indeed have been trained by al quada and the taliban. In my book, they just became another terrorist group with this stunt.

And yes, the IRA are terrorists.

Paul Fielder
08-05-2008, 09:30 AM
Paul, that crossed my mind and if the mods think it needs to go I'll delete it myself. I look at it as more of a world event than political but will understand if they see it differently.

John, I didn't say it was a terrorist group, but a terrorist attack. That being said, I read several articles on this and a couple of them stated that the Uigurs indeed have been trained by al quada and the taliban. In my book, they just became another terrorist group with this stunt.

And yes, the IRA are terrorists.


....it would be nice to have China jump on board. I would think they (Muslim Terrorists) would be smart enough to leave the Olympics alone but they have no fear of death.

I'll read the paper when I get back...heading to the ranch to get a deer blind put up for Dad.

I still haven't heard or read anything on this but missed the news last night. If what you are saying is tied to what I think it is....the pimple may burst!!

Your call on the delete but thanks for bringing it to my attention. China's reaction will tell it all.....the Olympics MAY cause a delay in retaliation.

If deleted, PM me if you get any more details!!

pf

vinny
08-05-2008, 10:32 AM
It will be interesting to see what China will put up with, how they retaliate,and what they say to the people that tell them they handled it incorrectly. This should be good.

Chances are you'll never hear the truth. Communist/Socialist countries control the news. China has already put restrictions on how much Internet access news media from the free world will have while covering the Olympics. Quite frankly, China's reaction to this terrorist attack will have absolutely no effect on how we view them or how much we buy from them. They already defy what we stand for in regards to free trade, human rights, government controlled by the people, freedom of speech and most of all, their treatment of women. If their defiance to what we stand for doesn't effect the trade imbalance with them nothing will.
vinny

chino69
08-05-2008, 10:54 AM
An obscure Muslim ethnic group has attacked a border patrol station in China, killing 16 policemen by ramming their dumptruck into the compound and throwing hand grenades. This just days before the Olympics.

Do they really want to tangle with China??:confused:

I haven't heard or am familiar with this incident but I can guarantee that terrorists won't survive in China for long.
Chino69

Paul Fielder
08-05-2008, 04:06 PM
....man, it is so HOT down here right now!! It had to have been way over 100 out at the ranch but got it done. Also have to take my boy to football practice in a bit. Soo ready for November!!

Anyway, if anyone comes up with a good follow up to this story I would appreciate seeing China's reaction. However, I agree w/ Vinny & how China will 'really' tell their side of the story. I'm super curious to what really happened.

I still say they will play it cool till the Olympics are over....too much $$$$ to scare off the spectators. They are all biz!!

pf

Yote
08-05-2008, 04:50 PM
If they were to do to China that they did here, and England, and Spain, and everywhere else they have bombed, maimed, killed innocents, I don't think China will take it on the chin.

It could turn into one of those "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" deals between the world and China. I think nrb is right, they will tangle with anybody and their attacks know no boundaries. They can't take on the whole world though.

Here's a couple of links to the story.


http://www.theage.com.au/world/terrorist-attack-kills-16-chinese-police-20080804-3pwt.html

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jf4L5ib03dPJ1ov5Vv6jQTQqmMFAD92BQ1C80

Paul Fielder
08-05-2008, 05:07 PM
If they were to do to China that they did here, and England, and Spain, and everywhere else they have bombed, maimed, killed innocents, I don't think China will take it on the chin.

It could turn into one of those "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" deals between the world and China. I think nrb is right, they will tangle with anybody and their attacks know no boundaries. They can't take on the whole world though.

Here's a couple of links to the story.


http://www.theage.com.au/world/terrorist-attack-kills-16-chinese-police-20080804-3pwt.html

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jf4L5ib03dPJ1ov5Vv6jQTQqmMFAD92BQ1C80

That article made me glad to be an American!!

...hope I see something on the news & in tomorrows paper....poor journalism if I don't. This is the only place I have heard of it thus far but I'm going watch the 5:00 news before football practice!!

17 dead China policemen!!?? Just WOW!!

pf

vinny
08-05-2008, 09:44 PM
That article made me glad to be an American!!

...hope I see something on the news & in tomorrows paper....poor journalism if I don't. This is the only place I have heard of it thus far but I'm going watch the 5:00 news before football practice!!

17 dead China policemen!!?? Just WOW!!

pf

I'd suggest the reason you haven't heard of these terrorist attacks by the network or print media is because they don't want to shine a light on the voracity of these lunatics. The media wants to keep anything about terrorist attacks out of Americas living rooms. They have an agenda and downplaying terrorism supports that agenda.
vinny

Paul Fielder
08-05-2008, 09:55 PM
I'd suggest the reason you haven't heard of these terrorist attacks by the network or print media is because they don't want to shine a light on the voracity of these lunatics. The media wants to keep anything about terrorist attacks out of Americas living rooms. They have an agenda and downplaying terrorism supports that agenda.
vinny

we're getting muddy....but I agree w/ your neocon theory:-)

I missed the evening news but checked cnn & fox and got nothing....even on the ticker?? Will check paper tomorrow. If THIS gets no press, I'm gonna get a bit of the red butt!!

Football practiced SUCKED.....the hurricane Dolly skeeters are out in full force!!

pf

vinny
08-05-2008, 10:06 PM
Paul
I did my best to follow DS suggestion and not refer to a political party. Sorry to hear the skeeters are out. I live 200 yards from the Great South Bay the skeeters are so fierce they can pick you up and carry you away. Football is a great sport!!!!!!!!!
vinny

alinwa
08-05-2008, 10:27 PM
Well I think that if ------ wants to attack -------- then they're entitled to it since in the year ---- they were ------ by the ------ troops and their rights were violated!!! THIS was definitely only for -----, for a foothold in the ------ markets of ------ and for political gain (OOOPS!! :eek: )



SORRY!! I guess if the moderators want to delete this thread because it's "political" then hey.............


What ever happened to being able to discuss gun rights, freedoms and ------- and ------??


Maybe this will become the "everybody agree to hold hands and sing Kumbaya" forum, this way there'll be absolutely NO CHANCE of stumbling into any patriotic or political waters....... :( NO CHANCE to rejoice in our Second Amendment Freedoms......


GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! ( OOoooops........ :o)









Ohhh Yeahhh..... how 'bout them skeeters.... wooo-whooooo.....


al

papapaul
08-06-2008, 07:43 AM
The IRA were terrorists and admit it themselves. Who says they weren't?

Paul Fielder
08-06-2008, 08:51 AM
Well I think that if ------ wants to attack -------- then they're entitled to it since in the year ---- they were ------ by the ------ troops and their rights were violated!!! THIS was definitely only for -----, for a foothold in the ------ markets of ------ and for political gain (OOOPS!! :eek: )



SORRY!! I guess if the moderators want to delete this thread because it's "political" then hey.............


What ever happened to being able to discuss gun rights, freedoms and ------- and ------??


Maybe this will become the "everybody agree to hold hands and sing Kumbaya" forum, this way there'll be absolutely NO CHANCE of stumbling into any patriotic or political waters....... :( NO CHANCE to rejoice in our Second Amendment Freedoms......


GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! ( OOoooops........ :o)









Ohhh Yeahhh..... how 'bout them skeeters.... wooo-whooooo.....


al

Thanks AL!!

jcwit
08-06-2008, 10:40 AM
Finally something interesting to read on the General Discussion.

Paul Fielder
08-06-2008, 11:45 AM
....on page nine.

Nothing new and downplayed by China as expected.

Title was:

China Tries To Shrug off Deadly Attack

We'll see.....

pf

Yote
08-06-2008, 04:37 PM
Paul, it seems to have been kept hush-hush. I haven't heard it on the news at all. I just happened to see it on my browsers homepage the other day and followed the link. Within 30 minutes, the link was gone.:confused:

Funny that it's caught no more air time than it has, but I guess the media doesn't want it to put a damper on the Olympics.....maybe??

By the way, I was at the river the other day and saw a wild turkey hen. Suddenly I heard what sounded like a 747 going by. Out of nowhere one of them south Georgia skeeters came by, landed behind the turkey, stood flatfooted and raped her!!! No kiddin'!!!!:eek::eek:

Dangdest thing I ever saw!:D:D

Paul Fielder
08-06-2008, 10:21 PM
Paul, it seems to have been kept hush-hush. I haven't heard it on the news at all. I just happened to see it on my browsers homepage the other day and followed the link. Within 30 minutes, the link was gone.:confused:

Funny that it's caught no more air time than it has, but I guess the media doesn't want it to put a damper on the Olympics.....maybe??
D:D

and logistics. It happened close to the hot zone known for this stuff....check out the globe. LONG way from the Olympics but I'm sure all the pockets involved with the games had a hand in this being kept quiet.

Sad...

pf

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