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bigredplane
08-02-2008, 05:13 PM
Hi I'm new to this forums. I looking to buy a Annie. But I can't do the $$$ for a new one. I was looking at a 1977 Match 54 it does have the Super Match Action. What I need to know is do you guys think you can wear one out. The guy don't know the history of the gun. He's only had it for 6 months but he needs money now. Its looks good on the outside but that don't make it shoot good. What do you think my chances are of it being a good one still?.
My other option is maybe a New 64MP.

Scott

Hawk
08-02-2008, 05:56 PM
Scott,
I don't think you will shoot one out, however you can destroy one by aggressive cleaning. A borescope would help decide. Only real way to find out if it still shoots is to go shoot it.
The SuperMatch is way better than a '64
Regards,
Don.H.

keith lovan
08-02-2008, 06:00 PM
I have a 54 made in the 70,s like new give me a call at 812- 454-5643

Beau
08-02-2008, 06:49 PM
Yes, you can wear it out, but it is unlikely that the one you're looking at is worn out. I bought one that had belonged to a United Kingdom rifle team and then was sold to a school team in the U.S. It looked like crap. The estimated rounds through it were around 75,000. The bore still looked good and it still shot good, but I had it rebarreled anyway. BTW, it only cost $243 and it was a 54.

rbs
08-02-2008, 07:35 PM
Hi I'm new to this forums. I looking to buy a Annie. But I can't do the $$$ for a new one. I was looking at a 1977 Match 54 it does have the Super Match Action. What I need to know is do you guys think you can wear one out. The guy don't know the history of the gun. He's only had it for 6 months but he needs money now. Its looks good on the outside but that don't make it shoot good. What do you think my chances are of it being a good one still?.
My other option is maybe a New 64MP.

Scott

If the Anschutz you are looking at was made in '77 it should be an "X" gun. The serial number should end with an X. Most were very good shooting rifles with exceptional barrels.

bigredplane
08-02-2008, 09:59 PM
So sounds like this could still be a good gun. There only one about the gun. It has a Super Match 54 bolt. So the gun has no safety because I thing would of originally came with a reg. Match 54 bolt with a wing safety. Are the bolts interchangeable ?

Thanks scott

Beau
08-02-2008, 11:12 PM
They might interchange but I don't think I would consider them interchangable. So, I guess it has Super Match bolt but not an 5018 trigger?

rbs
08-03-2008, 05:03 AM
So sounds like this could still be a good gun. There only one about the gun. It has a Super Match 54 bolt. So the gun has no safety because I thing would of originally came with a reg. Match 54 bolt with a wing safety. Are the bolts interchangeable ?

Thanks scott

The gun you are looking at is a 1600 series Anschutz. This was the transition gun between the 1400 and 1800 series. The safety will be on the trigger, which will be the first edition of the 5018. If you remove the bolt you will see an open slot on the bottom that will allow you to see the the firing pin and spring. Anschutz said this produced a faster lock time. The 1600 or "X" series is very sought after in Europe and has been used by some of the top shooters in the world. The gun's reputation is talked about in the book "Ways of the Rifle". Anschutz attributes the legendary accuarcy of these rifles to an exceptional batch of British steel used for the barrels. Although the safety could have been removed, I imagine it is there, just not a wing safety. And, I seriously doubt the barrel (short of abuse) is shot out.

bigredplane
08-03-2008, 07:34 AM
The gun you are looking at is a 1600 series Anschutz. This was the transition gun between the 1400 and 1800 series. The safety will be on the trigger, which will be the first edition of the 5018. If you remove the bolt you will see an open slot on the bottom that will allow you to see the the firing pin and spring. Anschutz said this produced a faster lock time. The 1600 or "X" series is very sought after in Europe and has been used by some of the top shooters in the world. The gun's reputation is talked about in the book "Ways of the Rifle". Anschutz attributes the legendary accuarcy of these rifles to an exceptional batch of British steel used for the barrels. Although the safety could have been removed, I imagine it is there, just not a wing safety. And, I seriously doubt the barrel (short of abuse) is shot out.

Thanks For the info. I didn't know all that. :eek: Sounds like this one should be a good gun. Man this Benchrest Central Forum is great. Were can a guy learn so much in a short time. :):):)

Thanks Scott

bigredplane
08-03-2008, 02:12 PM
The gun you are looking at is a 1600 series Anschutz. This was the transition gun between the 1400 and 1800 series. The safety will be on the trigger, which will be the first edition of the 5018. If you remove the bolt you will see an open slot on the bottom that will allow you to see the the firing pin and spring. Anschutz said this produced a faster lock time. The 1600 or "X" series is very sought after in Europe and has been used by some of the top shooters in the world. The gun's reputation is talked about in the book "Ways of the Rifle". Anschutz attributes the legendary accuarcy of these rifles to an exceptional batch of British steel used for the barrels. Although the safety could have been removed, I imagine it is there, just not a wing safety. And, I seriously doubt the barrel (short of abuse) is shot out.

Yes I got the SN off the gun its 14@@@@X with a 77 stamp on the barrel. The safety is on the trigger, just the lever in missing.

Beau
08-03-2008, 02:54 PM
Have you bought yet? If not, do you want to share the name of the person who has it? No tire kickers here.

bigredplane
08-03-2008, 03:24 PM
Have you bought yet? If not, do you want to share the name of the person who has it? No tire kickers here.

Just finished the deal. Picking it up Monday. Its about 3 hours away from me.

tenpointnine
08-04-2008, 11:44 AM
This should be a good rifle. I won the UKBR22 'World' Championship with my 1613 147647X in 2004 (Only because there was nobody from USA shooting!).

Won the British Short Range prone Championship in 2006 with my 1607.

To quote someone on this forum 'Thems good guns'.

Walter

bigredplane
08-04-2008, 06:44 PM
This should be a good rifle. I won the UKBR22 'World' Championship with my 1613 147647X in 2004 (Only because there was nobody from USA shooting!).

Won the British Short Range prone Championship in 2006 with my 1607.

To quote someone on this forum 'Thems good guns'.

Walter

I hope so too. I just got back from picking her up today. Well do a good inspection here soon. I need to throw down a cold one after 7 hrs. of driving to get her . By the way Walter do you know about how many rounds were through your gun before you won the Championship with it in 2004? You obviously how to take care of a gun. I was just wondering if you use a brush at all in it?

Thanks Scott

proneshooter1
08-07-2008, 01:49 AM
dude nice choice.......i would buy a used 54 than a new 64 any day of the week even if it was $1.50 a case...lol........i have a pic of my 1613 on rimfire central the annies pics page 5 check it out when you get a chance i got it from mac tilton mtguns.......well anyways congrats!!!

bigredplane
08-07-2008, 04:59 AM
dude nice choice.......i would buy a used 54 than a new 64 any day of the week even if it was $1.50 a case...lol........i have a pic of my 1613 on rimfire central the annies pics page 5 check it out when you get a chance i got it from mac tilton mtguns.......well anyways congrats!!!

I looked at yours, NICE GUN. :pMine must be like a 1611. It has what I would call prone stock. Look's just the one on rimcentral show us your annies page 7 post#96 of Dave 101. I will try to post some pictures later.

Scott

proneshooter1
08-09-2008, 01:37 AM
i was looking into a 1411 also but the stock on the xx13 series made the difference the look of the stock just got me hoooked:D....but yeah sweet rifle you got there its anschutz gonna be a pile driver!!!!.......try some wolfe match extra i have fine results with them and welcome to the annie family!!!!

proneshooter1
08-09-2008, 01:38 AM
thankx much for the compliment!!!!:D

bigredplane
08-09-2008, 08:46 AM
Ya a XX13 would of been nicer. I'm hoping some day to go to a benchrest stock of somebody's. But $695.0 for a Anschutz one, I don't know about that. That's alot of jack. I already have some Wolf Match Extra. I get it from
Sinclair's, not the cheapest but I it's only about 2 miles from were I live. No shipping cost. I havn't had a chance to shoot it yet been helping the in-laws move can't get out of that. I'm hoping to shoot her Sunday.

gordon gauge
08-09-2008, 06:34 PM
Looks like a fine example of an Anschutz. While you are waiting to get a real benchrest stock for it, you can make a 3" wide by 5" long piece of aluminum or delrin and bolt or screw it onto the forearm. That will ride the front rest much better than a rounded forearm (in the picture it appears to be rounded). Sinclair International also makes a plastic forearm adapter that clamps on with nylon screws. I've done them both ways, and the homemade is more solid, but the Sinclair is fast and easy and you don't have to poke any holes in the stock.

Just a thought..........


p.s. just checked Sinclairs on-line and I could not find that item anymore. Perhaps it is listed in the paper catalog.

bigredplane
08-09-2008, 07:06 PM
Sounds like a good idea. I was thinking of doing something like that, just not sure what. The forearm is mostly rounded with a little flat on the bottom with about a inch wide with a rail in it. I need see what I can come up with that will hook up to the rail. :)

bigredplane
08-29-2008, 04:26 PM
I think its a keeper. Here's some groups I shot last night. It didn't like the R-50's but Tenex EPS was looking good.:):)

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd345/bigredplane/Anschutz014.jpg

bob finger
08-31-2008, 06:03 AM
Very nice looking rifle. If you want a front sled give http://www.mwerksllc.com/index.html a look. He makes sleds specific to the contour of your fore-arm and it bolts on easily. Not expensive and he is a great guy to deal with. I have several. bob finger

bigredplane
08-31-2008, 12:31 PM
Yes I was thinking about one of them or a BR-stock for it not sure which way to go yet.

bob finger
08-31-2008, 12:55 PM
A proper br stock will not only have a flat on the fore end to ride the front rest but the bottom of the butt stock will also be parallel to the bore axis so it rides straight in the rear bag. An attached front sled will NOT be as steady as a br stock, but it comes pretty close. Depends on if you are going to use the rifle for more than br or not in my opinion. bob finger

BrianJ
09-01-2008, 08:27 AM
Scott,

Check your PM.

bjm

Troy 22
03-16-2014, 10:18 PM
I think its a keeper. Here's some groups I shot last night. It didn't like the R-50's but Tenex EPS was looking good.:):)

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd345/bigredplane/Anschutz014.jpg
im new to the forum,i too have the exact same rifle its a 1977 54 match with the last letter being a x.i would like to know if you would share about what ammo your rifle likes,my rifle shoots really good with sk match,rws-50, eley tennex eps 1010-02303 1059 fps,wolf match target,all of the ammos shot different.the best groups were out of the rws-50, and the eley tennex eps had slightly bigger groups all bullet holes touching with a occasional hole slightly out of the group, I only had two boxes of the rws-50 this ammo was what this rifle liked and shot the best groups Ive ever shot with this rifle.I want to test more ammo what should I try next. My rifle has a position stock without a flat forearm, I also have a kelby benchrest stock that I picked up for 75.00 from a gun dealer here in Va im refinishing it now and I know will help.the rws-50 doesn't have a fps number on the box but I heard it runs around 1082.My goal is to shoot rimfire benchrest in my area.The rifle is the most accurate one that I own im amazed on how it shoots it has a leupold 36 bench rest scope and the trigger is the smoothest ive ever had the pleasure to pull.I am not as good as the rifle but im not a beginner I have been shooting all my life but im willing to listen to someone who can shoot groups like yours and any info I can learn about these rifles would be appreciated.The rws-50 is getting really hard to find on the net, but the eley has more choices on lots and speeds,how does the rws-50 run on different lots and are there variances on fps speed between lots.when you were testing your rifle how did you come up with that lot or speed that shot so well in your rifle,I will put up some pics as soon as I get the stock finished and my groups that I shot when I tested some of the ammo
thanks

Jefferson
03-16-2014, 10:50 PM
Yes I was thinking about one of them or a BR-stock for it not sure which way to go yet.

I designed the JTR stock used to be made by robertson composites, and it looks to me that your gun is probably bedded and fits the action properly so a forened adapter is better than a new stock,

it appears to reciol properly and a new stock may have fitment issues and maybe not any better than the one you have,

enjoy

Jefferson