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Phil Deese
07-11-2008, 03:10 PM
Barack W. Bush?
Of late, Obama seems to be promising a third Bush administration.

By Victor Davis Hanson


Almost everyone is talking about Barack Obama’s flip-flops, as the Senate’s most liberal member steadily moves to the political center and disowns firebrands like Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Fr. Michael Pfleger.

But less noticed is that Obama is not just deflating John McCain’s efforts to hold him to his long liberal record, but also embracing much of the present agenda of an unpopular President Bush on a wide variety of fronts.

Take social issues. Obama is now a gun-rights advocate. Like Bush, he applauded the Supreme Court’s overturning of a Washington, D.C., ordinance banning the possession of handguns.

The senator, also like Bush, supports the death penalty. He recently objected to the court’s rejection of a state law that allowed for the execution of child rapists.

And although Obama is still pro-choice, he now — like the president — thinks “mental distress” should not justify late-term abortion.

In addition, the new Obama would like to continue — and even expand — Bush’s controversial faith-based initiative program of involving churches in government anti-poverty programs.

In fact, Obama is sounding a lot these days like those red-state, small-town conservatives he once caricatured in his infamous comment about Pennsylvanians who “cling” to such hot-button, but extraneous, social causes.

Consider also the campaign trail. Like a Republican in good standing — but unlike the maverick John McCain — Obama has, by his sudden forgoing of public funds, rejected the idea of campaign-finance reform.

In fact, he’s the largest raiser of private cash in American political history, and seems to have dropped opposition to accepting pernicious “special-interest money.” Like a Republican, he raises the most among the nation’s wealthiest on Wall Street.

During the primaries, Obama seemed to advocate the dismantling of the North American Free Trade Agreement. But now candidate Obama has little desire to overturn the present Bush trade policies.

On foreign policy and the war against terror, Obama once leaned left in his primary battles against Hillary Clinton. But his latest mutations move him once again closer to George W. Bush.

For all his prior talk of the loss of civil liberties, a President Obama, like President Bush, would give telecommunication companies exemption from lawsuits over tapping private phone calls at government request.

Obama wants to continue Bush’s successful multilateral efforts to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan, and now praises the Bush-inspired six-party talks with North Korea that led to the apparent dismantling of Pyongyang’s nuclear program. Like Bush, he advocated expanding the military after the Clinton-era troop cuts. Obama once advocated lifting the embargo against Cuba — but no longer. Like Bush, he thinks that it is wise to leave it be.

There is suddenly not much difference when it comes to the Middle East, either. Palestinian supporters were dismayed to hear Obama promise that Jerusalem must be Israel’s eternal and undivided capital.



Obama once criticized Bush for his unwillingness to meet directly with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and exaggerating the danger from Iran, which supposedly didn’t “pose any serious threat.” Lately though, he agrees with the president that Iran now in fact is a “grave threat.”

Obama’s most serious about-face is on Iraq. He once promised a rigid and rapid timetable for withdrawing our troops. But given the radical success of Gen. David Petraeus’s surge and change in tactics, Obama is now calling for withdrawals to be based on conditions on the ground in Iraq. How different is this plan from the present administration’s policy of incrementally sending home brigades as Petraeus hands off security responsibilities to Iraqis in additional provinces?

It makes political sense that Obama is moving to the center, since he knows that a Northern liberal like himself has not won a presidential election since 1960. So don’t expect Obama’s metamorphosis to stop now. Before this campaign is over, he may well flip some more; Would anybody be surprised if he starts supporting some part of Bush’s proposal for expanded domestic oil drilling or backtracks on raising trillions in new payroll taxes?

In fact, replace George Bush’s Texas twang, cowboy strut, and evangelical Bible thumping with Barack Obama’s mellifluous “hope and change” rhetoric, easy grace, and leftwing Christianity, and we may discover a flashy new cover to an old book.

A final question: If, even as Obama trashes Bush, he seems to agree with him on so many fronts, why don’t conservatives and Republicans adopt Obama as a welcome convert?

Some may, but most I’ve talked with don’t think Obama is sincere and feel he will flip back to being left-wing if elected. Or they think that Obama is changing so fast and so radically that it’s hard to believe he really knows who he is — or who he would be as president.

Mr. D
07-11-2008, 06:56 PM
Gee! Phil finally figured out candidates move to the center after the primaries!

Phil Deese
07-11-2008, 07:39 PM
I figured-out that liers are always on the move!!:eek::eek:

vicvanb
07-11-2008, 09:47 PM
Gee! Phil finally figured out candidates move to the center after the primaries!

With a lot more hard work and effort he may figure out that intelligent people modify their positions as time and circumstances change and new information becomes available.

Phil's candidates aren't ever allowed to modify their stands--he holds them all to statements they made in 1975! They must not change a word!

ultramag44
07-11-2008, 10:08 PM
Yes, Obama is moving to the political center..FOR NOW. it's the only way he will get ellected. 2 years ago Senator Clinton began a very slow, but steady move to the center.

Once he is sworn in, he will retrun to his ultra-left wing pollicies.

Remember, liberals always try to make themselves @ least look more appealing to the majority of voters. Once they are in, the charade ends, and it's liberalism, socialism and marxism...full steam ahead.

Reminding them of prior promises, or even playing the tape of thier promises does no good. They just say the political climate has changed, and all bets are now off.

cntryboy1289
07-12-2008, 02:37 AM
He is sounding more and more like the Muslim he is...... tell a lie as long as it moves your agenda forward because as long as you lie to your enemy, everything will be forgiven. Don't think so, read the Koran more because it says so.

Of course he is a politician and does what it takes to be elected, but why do you think that makes him such a good man?????


Do you really think I am wrong for wanting someone to say what they believe and will do in office and stick to it??????

RayfromTX
07-12-2008, 06:18 AM
Clinton moved even further to the center after being elected. He did a few other things as well.

Big Al
07-12-2008, 08:43 AM
So what, what do you expect from a guy in office for 146 days, before he announced he's running for President? These are not his views anyway. Who knows what he thinks? The puppet master run both of these puppets.

gt40
07-12-2008, 09:19 AM
The liberals talk to the Americans like we are stupid and the ones that consider themselves smart believe their idiotic talking points like: "Oil and coal makes us all sick". :eek:

For some reason teachers and professors believe all this crap and teach our children to believe it also. :eek:

Kids don't know how to speak correct English, because the teachers are not allowed to correct them because they may be insulted in front of the other students. Hell, the teachers don't even know hot to speak or spell correctly. They are not taught our countries history like the last generation was. And they are not taught to read. Remember "run spot run"? They didn't teach phonics for many years. They even tried the "new math" at one time and those poor kids couldn't make change for a $1 bill. They still don't make the kids memorize the math tables. :eek:

I guess I am open season now.

I'm up to 0.15 cents now, :p

gt40

An example: When my niece was in 8 th. grade she had a spelling test of 50 words. She received 100%. She misspelled 11 words. Teacher couldn't spell either.



The public education system in this country is deplorable. :eek:

RayfromTX
07-12-2008, 11:22 AM
GT40- Where do you get this stuff? Have you done any homework with school age kids lately? Around here, they are taught at a much higher level than when I was in school in the late 60s and 70s. I was so bored as a result. My kid studies calculus and physics in the 11th grade. He is also in economics and web graphics along with American History, English composition and athletics. That's 7 classes where we were required to take 6. The level of teaching is higher than what I would have expected. Texas is far from the top of the education system in this country and there is always room for improvement. I'm not sure what it's like in Georgia. The strength of the education system is, more than anything else, a reflection of parental involvement.

Oh and by the way, do you really think that the air pollution caused by burning oil and coal recklessly is not a health hazard? Have you been to Mexico city or Beijing? Were you paying attention while EPA regulations cleaned up the air in Los Angeles, even though it's population doubled?

Mr. D
07-12-2008, 03:54 PM
What manure some people spread! Is there anyone else you dislike? Let's see liberals, Democrats, politicians, scientists, teachers, Muslims, anyone with too much education, anyone who's not a sheep and has a different opinion. It must be sad to be so angry at so many people! A person could wind up alone biting himself! :eek: