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TMan88
05-21-2008, 09:40 AM
Has anyone used this new rest that Caldwell is now making and selling for around $199.99??? Does anyone own one yet? I am interested to know if the quality is good compared to the next price range that the SEBs and other more pricey front benchrest competition rests $600-$800 fall into.

JerryWillis
05-21-2008, 11:31 AM
Probably you will get what you paid for. JerryW

Apollo
05-21-2008, 11:43 AM
I tried to purchase one in Jan from Midway and they said it was backordered. I then tried Midsouth ($30 cheaper) and it also was backordered. That process went on and on until finally in mid April I bought something else. I see in Midway, they are still backordered. Hope you get one soon, and let us know how it works.

Stanley

TMan88
05-22-2008, 05:58 AM
I tried to purchase one in Jan from Midway and they said it was backordered. I then tried Midsouth ($30 cheaper) and it also was backordered. That process went on and on until finally in mid April I bought something else. I see in Midway, they are still backordered. Hope you get one soon, and let us know how it works.

Stanley I friend of mine who is a member of the same gun club as me ordered 10 of them for other people in our club. He received as of yesterday. I pick mine up Monday and will update you on quality and function once I get the chance to test it out.

Apollo
05-22-2008, 03:32 PM
TMann,

Please let me know how the Fire Control works out. I just checked Midsouth and theirs is still "on order" I'll be checking this site next week or the week after for your report.

hg shelton
05-22-2008, 06:18 PM
Has anyone used this new rest that Caldwell is now making and selling for around $199.99??? Does anyone own one yet? I am interested to know if the quality is good compared to the next price range that the SEBs and other more pricey front benchrest competition rests $600-$800 fall into.

I haven't shot off of one but looked at one in a gun shop Wilksboro N.C. looked and felt like junk..........
Gary

TMan88
05-27-2008, 09:21 AM
Yes I used it Monday on 50 yard standard 10 ring 25 target card. It covered all areas plus sighters at the top. It will not cover the same target however at 25 yards unless you make a coarse adjustment in elevation during shooting to either drop it down or raise it up. But that adjustment is quick and easy. Windage is adequate for all distances. Compared to the Rock it is much faster to acquire targets and easy to move back to sighters for checking wind effect on your impact point. The quality and heavyduty aspects are good for $199.00. Finish is good. It functioned well once you got used to rotating the control arm and manipulating it to different positions. I did do one minor mod to the conntrol arm today. I found that at the highest positions the knob on the end of the control arm hit my trigger guard on my Cooper, so I put it into a vice and put a slight more angle on it. I liked it so well that I sold my old Rock rest to a fellow member at my Gun club who was just starting out in benchrest rimfire shooting. It certainly is not "Junk" as referred to by someone else in this forum. And yes you do get what you pay for. It works well, is sturdy, well made, and for that price point a much less expensive alternative.

Apollo
05-27-2008, 09:17 PM
Thank you for the update.

BlaserGun
03-01-2009, 01:06 AM
Yes I used it Monday on 50 yard standard 10 ring 25 target card. It covered all areas plus sighters at the top. It will not cover the same target however at 25 yards unless you make a coarse adjustment in elevation during shooting to either drop it down or raise it up. But that adjustment is quick and easy. Windage is adequate for all distances. Compared to the Rock it is much faster to acquire targets and easy to move back to sighters for checking wind effect on your impact point. The quality and heavyduty aspects are good for $199.00. Finish is good. It functioned well once you got used to rotating the control arm and manipulating it to different positions. I did do one minor mod to the conntrol arm today. I found that at the highest positions the knob on the end of the control arm hit my trigger guard on my Cooper, so I put it into a vice and put a slight more angle on it. I liked it so well that I sold my old Rock rest to a fellow member at my Gun club who was just starting out in benchrest rimfire shooting. It certainly is not "Junk" as referred to by someone else in this forum. And yes you do get what you pay for. It works well, is sturdy, well made, and for that price point a much less expensive alternative.

Is it the accuracy any good from the rest?
What I need is a good rest when Iím building up hunting loads and would like to eliminate my own errors when test shooting :)

Regards Bjarne

Mad`
03-01-2009, 09:19 AM
You get what you pay for. This will really stand out if you ever get to use a Farley. The Farley is worth three times more than the Caldwell, and more.
Buy the best and cry now. Buy a Caldwell and be down $200.00 by the time you finally buy a Farley.

It's like buying a BSA scope instead of a Leupold.

BlaserGun
03-01-2009, 09:23 AM
You get what you pay for. This will really stand out if you ever get to use a Farley. The Farley is worth three times more than the Caldwell, and more.
Buy the best and cry now. Buy a Caldwell and be down $200.00 by the time you finally buy a Farley.

It's like buying a BSA scope instead of a Leupold.
Have you tried shooting from the fire control or is it just your opinion about it?

Mad`
03-01-2009, 09:38 AM
Yes, and I have also tried the Caldwell one piece rest.
When you buy a Chevy, you don't get a Cadillac.

BlaserGun
03-01-2009, 09:42 AM
Yes, and I have also tried the Caldwell one piece rest.
When you buy a Chevy, you don't get a Cadillac.

Is the accuracy any good when shooting from the fire control?

Mad`
03-01-2009, 09:54 AM
It's sloppy. Sorry but that's the only way I can think to describe.
You will not see a Calwell anything at a centerfire benchrest match. At least I have never seen one being used. However, I'd say at least 30 to 40% of benchrest centerfire shooters use, or have used, a Farley Coaxial rest.

Farley's are all over the place around these parts because they are made right here in OKC.

To be fair, I have seen one of our local rimfire shooters win an informal local match or two with his Caldwell.

The same comparison can be used when comparing the Caldwell one piece rest to James Pappas one piece rest. NO CONTEST !

tim
03-01-2009, 11:57 AM
Others have noted , and tested that it will with use get continually looser, ultimately getting to the point were it cannot be trusted to hold a 10 1/2lb. gun

cwop
03-04-2009, 06:50 AM
first did you try grafs i got mine from there if they are out they will put it on b/o for you. they are a great company by the way!

as for the caldwell i have one and while its not a farley it does what it it intended to do. you can tighten things up and do ok.

is it intended for the professional no but it fills a need. of course my neighbor who can make a piece of galvanized pipe shoot scorns it. he claims he can do just as well of bags and he probabley can.

for me just a duffer it fills my needs and for 189.00 bux you can always sell it if it doesnt meet your needs. there is a big difference between the pro and his nees vs us ordinary guys. by the way i never poke fun at anyone.

bob

1thumb
03-04-2009, 09:01 AM
It has been a few years since I shot across the course but I quess I forgot the bag squeezing part.

larry sivils

cwop
03-04-2009, 01:08 PM
well some of us may not feel like spending 700.00 for a good rest when the coldwell gtts us close. now if i was shooting with a 4000.00 rifle in big shoots then a caldwell makes sense but for us weekly shooters a little overkill.

bob

cwop
03-04-2009, 01:13 PM
mad

by the way this guy goes sil. and outshoots me off the bench. he is a champion goes to the big shoots. he shoots 300yd and out. he goes to the bench and then absolutely no contest.

he also scorns b/r guys claims they are wuses. he claims the studs dont shoot sitting down. funny.

i dont know if you have been to any champion b/r shoots but they are a different crowd no offense to anyone but they go through some things we dont consider like bringing a trailor with them and loading that day for their shoots.

bob

Butch Lambert
03-04-2009, 02:04 PM
cwopper,
Sounds like you guys belong on snipers hyde. What is your old Bud champion of anyway?
Butch

gzig5
03-04-2009, 02:30 PM
It has been a few years since I shot across the course but I quess I forgot the bag squeezing part.

larry sivils

I hope he meant to say F-class instead of XTC. Otherwise he's cheating! ;-)

Mad`
03-04-2009, 05:02 PM
mad


i dont know if you have been to any champion b/r shoots but they are a different crowd no offense to anyone but they go through some things we dont consider like bringing a trailor with them and loading that day for their shoots.

bob

Uh yeah, I have been to a couple of champion BR shoots in my time. I'm a little unclear on your word "champion"?
Most everyone on this website have been to a "champion" BR shoot. And I guess you could say a lot of the folks here have won big matches/"champion" or points races now and then.

What is your friends name and what is he "champion" of?
Dale McClure

geneinnc
03-04-2009, 07:49 PM
I haven't shot off of one but looked at one in a gun shop Wilksboro N.C. looked and felt like junk..........
Gary

Gary, lets start selling your shooting rest system. I can get the 2" x 4", err I mean the rear rest, at cost.

You can autograph the front sandbag for $20 extra, the "signature" series.

I'll set up my 40 X camera and we will even supply a video you shooting a 250 with your equipment.

$99.95 delivered sound about right?:D

BARTMAN
03-04-2009, 08:28 PM
I have this rest and it could not work any better for 200 bucks. Its heavy and solid will not move. Its perfect for what I do 50 yard usbr. I am sure an 800.00 dollar rest would be better but being for now my most expensive gun is Annie mpr at 1000.00 bucks its just fine. And I expect to get an unlimited gun at 1500.00 to 2500.00 and will still use this rest. I am sure if I shot with everyone who had calfee turbo's and farleys I would probably have them also. So anyone wanting a very nice trick rest without losing an arm should buy it

cwop
03-05-2009, 06:56 AM
my neighbors name is gary call and i cant spell silloute so this is close. he has all sorts of plaques and medals. he has in the past went every year either to pa or ratoune nm for these shoots.

he says participation in the past years have been declining and he has sort of lost interest but believe me he can shoot wherever and however he chooses to do it.

he is also an egg shooter out at 300 yards standing not sitting.

some people can do anything and he is one of them

bob

cwop
03-05-2009, 07:07 AM
hey you b/r guys im not running anyone down. my congratulations to all of you guys that can shoot a rare talent and whether you want to admit it or not you are competitors nothing wrong wth this for my part.

i just expressed my thoughts that with a 4,000.00 rifle and who knows how much other stuff you have you will do whatever it takes to win honestly that is.

i for one am not finding fault or telling you how to do your sport. the man just asked for an opinion on a caldwell rest and some were given. now you guys that shoot the big time there is a world of difference betweein the guy that uses a caldwell rest and a pappas. matter of fact i would like to have a pappas rest.

jsut remember some of us shoot for fun and we are miles apart from you big hitters cut us some slack but i like to read and learn to improve my shooting if i can but i cant afford or justify the equipment you have although i just got ahold of a calfree 40x i want to play with. i hope it will shoot!

good luck this year jsut remember us little guys

bob

cwop
03-05-2009, 07:14 AM
mad your quite a man i hope i didnt anger you i didnt intend to do that. im sorry if i did will you accept my apology.

bob

Mad5757
03-05-2009, 11:41 AM
I look at it this way:
When I go to a match I expect to win. Otherwise I wouldn't bother. You spend big bucks on your rifle, scope, gas, ammo, and maybe a hotel room, food, why skimp on the most important piece of equipment? You have to pay to play. You have to have the very best equipment money can buy. You can bet some of your competitors have the best equipment, and that instantly puts them at an advantage over the guys that don't, before the first shot is fired. Good luck, Dale

cwop
03-05-2009, 01:09 PM
mad thats the difference we are not in your league good for you but we want something better than bags is this i dont know.

i would imagine your cost per match is way up there with fuel, food, equipment, lodging and other stuff. maybe the guys question should have been posted somewhere else.

but its your hobby and its not a money maker i in turn recognize i am not a competitor at your leval and wouldnt expect for you to even consider a caldwell setup.

you had the same reaction to it my neighbor had but i expected that and now i know you feel like he does but how about say a beginner he has to start someplace and maybe he is a potential b/r with a small pocketbook at present. i hope you see where im coming from.

the cost of all this is stopping a lot of new shooters when they hear the outlay believe me!

bob

jcwit
03-05-2009, 03:16 PM
You are absolutly right cwop. One time at a shoot and they run the other way when they see what expense is involved.

Check old thread here on Rimfire benchrest titled, How do you keep them comming back.

Fred J
03-05-2009, 03:26 PM
My wife and I have leased and run our own range for ten years. When we lose money, nobody steps up to pay for that loss. Therefore, we will charge what's necessary to break even. If we can't do that, we will shut it down. If they want to play, they have to pay.

Bill Ohio
03-05-2009, 03:43 PM
I look at it this way:
When I go to a match I expect to win. Otherwise I wouldn't bother.

Whether or not one wins, let one be valiant in the effort.

Being valiant ain't about spending top dollar. It's about showing up, and conducting oneself with good sportsmanship. Priceless.

Mad5757
03-05-2009, 04:20 PM
Whether or not one wins, let one be valiant in the effort.

Being valiant ain't about spending top dollar. It's about showing up, and conducting oneself with good sportsmanship. Priceless.

Who said anything about being valiant? It's dog eat dog.
Think not? You are mistaken.

Mad5757
03-05-2009, 04:23 PM
mad thats the difference we are not in your league good for you but we want something better than bags is this i dont know.

i would imagine your cost per match is way up there with fuel, food, equipment, lodging and other stuff. maybe the guys question should have been posted somewhere else.

but its your hobby and its not a money maker i in turn recognize i am not a competitor at your leval and wouldnt expect for you to even consider a caldwell setup.

you had the same reaction to it my neighbor had but i expected that and now i know you feel like he does but how about say a beginner he has to start someplace and maybe he is a potential b/r with a small pocketbook at present. i hope you see where im coming from.

the cost of all this is stopping a lot of new shooters when they hear the outlay believe me!

bob

Then go get yourself a Caldwell and pay your entry fee. There ya go..........

cwop
03-05-2009, 04:28 PM
well im a ham operotor and believe me you can get into some big bux there too. why because we are compitive it takes some expensive gear to be heard around the world when you shouldnt be heard at all.

how about 200 ft rotating towers minimum of 20k for those and then i wont tell what the transmitting and recieving equipment costs. now there are some people that have the big bux and 50k doesnt mean anything to you.
how about amplifiers that put out as much power as a radio station and sometimes more strictly illegal of course.

then there are the 30k a year guys trying to compete against that do you see where im coming from?

i say let each of us do what we want to do and then the pros do what they want to do but be kind and tolerant to one another. is this too much? we duffers do want to improve if you will share things.

bob

bob

BARTMAN
03-05-2009, 06:33 PM
Come on guys. I have had mine since they came out and not a bit of problems. One guy said they loosen up. Yea but all you do is tighten it back up. Its adjustable. You can make it as stiff as ya want it.Just like taking viagra. I know a pretty good piece of equipment when I see and use one. There is nothing bad about this rest. Caldwell knows when there is a market for something and their stuff is very good usually for the money. They are on backorder that should tell ya something. That means there is a market for it and that is must be pretty damn good cause word would get around and nobody would be buying them. So untill I get me a calfee rifle and a Farley rest My Anschutz and fire control will do just fine. And I promise you when and if I do step up someone will buy it from me

Bill Ohio
03-05-2009, 08:30 PM
Who said anything about being valiant? It's dog eat dog.
Think not? You are mistaken.

To ascribe your value set to another person is to err. Your views are almost assuredly quite different than another person's. You should respect their right to choose differently than what you deem to be the only sensible course.

In other words, you're FOS and uptight. But that's your prerogative, as it is your right to be wrong. :)

cwop
03-06-2009, 06:40 AM
well i bet that guy wishes he had never made this post. why dont you competitive shooters get it! you are dog eat dog shooters and are out to win.

some of us want to play in our backyard and shoot but still want to do as well as we can with our limited equipment. its apparent there are some people that hate one anohter for some reason.

its too bad we cant be civil to one another and triy to help one another. i personally will never go to a shoot i am just not that good and with cataracts i find it a true struggle but i like to shoot.

you guys help us dont shoot us down you give b/r a bad name

bob

Mad`
03-06-2009, 07:56 AM
We got one genius making personal attacks, and his buddy is engaged in non stop crying. And neither one has contributed a damn thing to the original posters question.

What part of "go get your Caldwell and pay your entry fee", don't you understand?

Bill Ohio
03-06-2009, 11:25 AM
Don't get me started Bill.
STFU and get back in your cell.

Throw your temper tantrum in the corner, and get back on your meds. Steady nerves are an advantage in competition. But maybe you like living up to your board handle, MAD.

:rolleyes:

As to the O/Ps question, he should absolutely try the Caldwell rest and see if it works for him. At that price point, you can't go wrong, and it might well go right. It's always easy to let other (especially arrogant, condescending, dismissive) shooters spend your money. But remember, it's YOUR money, and don't let anybody browbeat you into a decision that only you can ultimately decide.

Mad`
03-06-2009, 03:55 PM
Bill, you show your intelligence by continually breaking the rules of this board. You did read the rules, right? You are falling into the trap that has been set for you and your intelligence level. Surprise!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, I have broken the rules several years ago. But now out of respect to Wilbur, you get a free pass. I hope to meet you face to face someday.FOAD.....
Semper Fi, Dale McClure

jcwit
03-06-2009, 07:58 PM
Man I can see getting all worked up over poltics. But this is a little over the edge all about a Caldwell rest.

Now if people would just get this passionite over the important things in life.

cwop
03-07-2009, 06:19 AM
my sentiments exactly

nuff said lighten up guys its just a hobby and a guy came in asking for sincere answers not to create a mess. im sorry for him but for my 2c buy it and use it till you get tired of it want something better then sell it.

bob