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BountyHunter
03-30-2008, 12:28 PM
Anyone got insight into the new 1000 and 2000 yard range being built in Johnston county by group called Tier One?

Supposed be to open to the public also.

BH

chuck furniss
03-30-2008, 03:24 PM
google up the following.
theherald-nc.com/business/story/7501.HTML

Chuck.

Rustystud
03-31-2008, 03:13 PM
Chuck:

Can you give us any more info?
Rustystud

J. Pendergraft
03-31-2008, 07:39 PM
Chuck:

Can you give us any more info?
Rustystud

Nat,

Paste this in Google and let it search for it. It works for me.

theherald-nc.com/business/story/7501.HTML

Joel

Boyd Allen
03-31-2008, 07:42 PM
Click on this. It is a link to the story.
http://www.theherald-nc.com/business/story/7501.html

Steve Shelp
04-01-2008, 10:06 AM
The Tier 1 company has been established for approx 3 yrs according to the article. They are currently based in Jacksonville close to Camp LeJuene. But they are proposing this new site to be more centralized. Still very much in the planning stages. But already recieving the typical neighbor pushback. This is right down the road from me and located very close to the intersect of I40 and I95 so it's easy access if it works out.

Originally they were not going to build a public range on it but during visits to all the neighbors to educate them on the proposed project several asked about public range access and it's being considered by the company now. Will it end up being the 1000 or 2000 yd range? I doubt it for liability reasons. Probably end up being another public 100yd range full of regulations that don't make them much fun to shoot at because you are worried about what rule your going to break to get you kicked off the range. And that rule usually doesn't have anythign to do with checking for a loaded round or where your muzzle is pointing. They all assume your an idiot and they will dictate to you anything they want.

I was even told on more than one ocassion while on active duty that the 5.56 green tip round was designed to tumble through the air and is why it's so deadly when it hits something. I clarified "through the air" to make sure they weren't just talking about after it hits flesh or bone then starts tumbling. And they were 100% clear it tumbled through the air.

hmmmm first, anytime I ever pulled pit duty the bullets from an M16A2 always went through the paper with the pointy end leading the way, at all distances being fired that day. And they left a nice round 22 caliber hole.... and second we are finding now that the 5.56 rd is NOT so deadly after all while palying in the sandbox in the middle east. TRUE story! I couldn't even shake my head in disbelief because the guys instructing me on this were of higher rank than myself and I didn't want to do pushups all day long.

yea I'm just an idiot that wants to shoot 2000yds and doesn't have a clue.....

I'm done being cynical now.

Steve

Rustystud
04-01-2008, 11:45 AM
www.T1G.com

Rustystud

Tom Sarver
04-01-2008, 11:46 AM
You always know how to put it...one of the many things I like about you.
I love that part too were THEY whoever they are who say the .223 is not effective for combat. Ever been shot with a Daisy 800 with 10 pumps at 50 yards!!! Holy $#!^ that hurts.. now imagine a 55 Gr. bullet going 3000 plus fps at 300 yards battle sight zero...hmmm lets see if it's effective. And the part were they tumble right out of the muzzle is plan stupid and THEY expect us to believe this crap. The problem is the GENEVA CONVENTION...no hollow points allowed? Maybe the Military should stop spending money on rebuilding a country we destroyed and buy some 223 in Hornady A-max!!! That should do the trick ya' think?

Anyways ever notice when a NEW range is being built it's a 1000 yard range.....
But, if and when these ranges get built all you have who show up is "I can't even see a thousand yards" kind of people looking for an excuss not to shoot it. So that's why we get stuck with these 1000 yard ranges that end up being 100-200 yards for the local yahoo with his SKS unloading like Rambo on a bad hair day! That's a heck of liabilty compared to 1000 yard shooters even new longrange shooters because the range is set up for that course of fire!!!!

Unfortunantly society is getting dumber by the minute and it's up to us...the few who have a clue to educate the ones who have no idea what this is all about.

Hope to see you this year in Ohio Steve,

Tom Sarver

Rustystud
04-01-2008, 03:29 PM
The M16s today are shooting 69-80 grainers depending on the service branch and job spec.

You would be surprised how many 77 grain Sierras are being used by the Marines, Seals, and Army Special forces.

Rustystud

Tom Sarver
04-01-2008, 06:16 PM
You missed my point...55 gr has been upgraded to 69-77 and 80 gr bullets because of the lack of knock down power (nice) way to put it in the 55 gr.
My point was what I said, is it effective and would you stand down range 300 yards and let someone plug you with one 55 gr? I would not. You are right in what you said about who's using what. THEY tried to get rid of the M16 because of this reason INSTEAD of improving the ammo which they eventully did because it was cheaper to do that than build or design something new at the time...(my other point stop putting money into a country we destroy and use it to improve our weapons or better ammo) Kind of a quick fix but the damage was already done to try to doom the M16. I personally like it and it's variations WITH the proper ammo/set-up. They can be very effective in the hands of a trained professional/operator. Is and could there be something better? of course. Anyway back to the subject at hand. The post about the shooting range to be or not to be.

Tom

Rustystud
04-03-2008, 07:34 AM
Tom I was Squaded with a high ranking army officer and overheard him discussing this exact point. For which he was on the committee studing this question.

His comment was after reviewing the facts when the targets were actually hit their kill effect was 100%.

Apparently there is a lot more target misses than the military wants to admitt.

I have shot a few deer, dogs and groundhogs with a .223 he effect has been quite impressive.

I was told in the overall picture the 6.8 was not any more effectve than the 223.

Rustystud

BountyHunter
04-03-2008, 08:31 PM
The problem is the GENEVA CONVENTION...no hollow points allowed? Tom Sarver

Tom

Geneva convention has nothing to do with hollow points. That is a big misconception most people have.

It was the July 1899 Hague conference that banned "bullets that expand or flatten in the human body". The ban was only applicable between parties that signed the agreement as to during a war between the signatories. The US never did sign it.

The US did sign the 1907 convention which banned projectiles "calculated to cause unnecessary suffering."

This ultimately led to the US JAG opinions in 1985, and 1990 authorizing use of the SMK rounds for counter terrorist opns as "they not only meet but exceed the law of war obligations." In 1993 the Jags once again authorized the 230 gr 45 ACP SXTs (Black Talon) round for the MK 23s.

It is just that the cold war era 5.56 rounds were designed to penetrate a kevlar at 600m, not to good for knockdown.

BH