View Full Version : 600 yrd Bench Portland, OR
02-17-2008, 11:28 AM
I was told that I should post this here.
Tri County Gun Club will be holding its first 600yrd benchrest match.
Date: March 15th
Start time: 9:00am
Would like to have registration finished by 8:30
The Address is:
13050 SW Tonquin Road
Sherwood, OR 97140
This will be our first attempt and if we get enough interest will try and have a match once a quarter. We are even having talks about doing a 2 day event with one day being shot at night with lighted targets. The conditions can be amazing after sunset!
Hope to see some Shooters form the Northwest show up. If you have any questions feel free to contact me.
02-17-2008, 01:03 PM
We are even having talks about doing a 2 day event with one day being shot at night with lighted targets. The conditions can be amazing after sunset!
Two words of advice on a night shoot from 600 yards. FORGET IT. Lighting requirements downrange aren't the problem - it's the lighting requirements between the firing lines and targets that will stop you. Wildlife walks across that range all the time - we've held up highpower matches because of deer on the range on several occasions. Oh yeah, deer are active at night, as are other forms of wildlife.
Yes I've studied the idea of shooting at night from 600 yards on that range before.
And FYI, that area is far from dead still at night - gusts of up to 50 MPH at night occur occasionally during the winter. Even on summer evenings, there are breezes.
Cody is the match registered with any organization or is it a club match? Also is it on Saturday or was that a typo?
02-17-2008, 10:19 PM
We have been shooting at night all winter long. It has been working out just great. We are getting about 10-20 shooters. Deer have not been a problem when the proper arrangements are made. The wind drops to almost nothing at night around there.
Lynn, it was not a typo. We will be running all of them on Saturday unless we run a two-day event. The main reason is that we already have reserved the range for Saturdays.
This will be a registered match. We are jumping through the hoops now to get the contract in-place.
02-17-2008, 10:41 PM
Yes, this is a NBRSA Registered match. Peter B. at the range Has been working to make this happen. Gary Noble has been there to talk to them and I have worked to make this happen. Don
Don are you going to this match? I think Tillroot1 said he is using it as his warm-up for the Nationals.My father wants to fly in friday evening with only our lightguns.
Gary L Noble
02-18-2008, 11:53 AM
If you can make the match it would help. We need a good turn out to. This will help shape the program and make it grow. They have/we have talked about what can be done in the future if the turn out is good.
After all if I can shoot good scores at this range you and others should be able to set a few records. The conditions can be that good.
Gary the biggest problem I have is getting the match dates in time to schedule vacation time.If you guys can get the schedules figured out by mid January I'm in if not its a big potluck.
My father is retired and can make all the shoots but for me it means getting out early on friday running home to get the guns and flying in to Portland that evening.After the match is easy because I have sundays off.
If you look further down on this page you'll see Tillroot1 trying to confirm the 1,000 yard national dates.I imagine he wants to shoot but has to do some scheduling first.
I hope the entire Washington contingent will be there as well.
Gary L Noble
02-18-2008, 12:39 PM
I am sure when Cody see's this he will post the match dates. The only one I am sure about after March is May 24th.
The Saturday matches are scheduled a year in advance. Sundays are taken for high power I think.
02-18-2008, 01:46 PM
The NBRSA 1000 Nationals are confirmed for Sept 18-21 in Byers, Co. Don
02-18-2008, 03:34 PM
We are looking at August 16 and 17th for a two day event possibly. I understand your guys need to have the dates set in stone early. I will talk with Peter my counter part in putting this together and nail down the rest of the year dates.
Bear with us on this, we are new at this. Quick question, could I run a state 600 yrd championship at the same time as a regular event. Just the people form OR compete separately for state honors?
If I had to guess we will try and hold an event every three months if the demand is there. Nov 15th would be the next.
Also, if you guys have specific large matches that you would want a warm up for let us know. We have the range scheduled for the 3rd sat of the month all year.
If you have any infomation that we will need to run this smoothly, please PM you number so we can talk. The last thing I want is to read is how bad we screwed this match up on Benchrestcentral:D
Thanks for your time and input.
Gary L Noble
02-20-2008, 09:52 PM
Give me a call. There are some changes we need to discuss.
I broke out my Oregon map and found Portland and then Sherwood.How do I get there from Sherwood? or 99 west or 5?
Found it.Does Sherwood have rooms or do we stay in Portland?
02-25-2008, 09:00 AM
I would stay in Wilsonville. They have hotel rooms and it realy close to the range. (Aproximatly 5 min)
If you stay there you can uses these directions. The Exit in the piciture is the North Wilsonville exit.
Its the back way into the club with alot less traffic.
If you need directions contact me and I can walk you through it.
02-27-2008, 11:32 PM
Hey Cody, (or Gary)
I talked with Dave and Peter today, Peter gave me good info but I still need some help :) (what's new :eek: )
I've never shot one of these before, I'm a complete newbie but I figure I can cobble together a couple of rifles that qualify, I think. I'll go weigh them on my bathroom scale........Peter indicated that loading at the range is NOT typical??? Can you elaborate? My little problem is that I set up 25 cases ready for any given barrel. I kinda' count on loading/adjusting at the range. Sounds like to compete I need at least 50rds preloaded for light-gun and 75 ready for heavy?
My dilemma is that while I've got two barrels with 25rds each, I have one barrel coming in this week (hopefully) for which I have NO brass yet, do I need to fireform up 100rds?
I also have another friend who might be coming.........neither of us are NBRSA members. Is this all going to create a hassle @ 8:30AM?
And, the 600yd night shoot on Tuesday of that same week.......... I'd like to have the option of us coming down Tuesday nite to check it out if I can, maybe have to fireform some cases....... can I reload at the night shoot?
Also, where do you clean the bores? I don't find a description of the course of fire. If I understood Peter he said 7-8min, then 10min for the record....... then 7-8min prep and 10min record.......... Do you plan to clean on the line?
Please reply here as it'll save time passing on the info to my friend and maybe help someone else out.
Here is how we do it in Caleeeefornia.
Get there early and sign your life away.
You will need to Join the NBRSA and can do that over the phone,make sure you get your identification number.If you shoot a record and didn't join your out of luck.Most clubs are NRA insured so bring your NRA number as well.
The match director will give you your relay so your either downrange or on the line.They give a safety chat as well as any range specific rules like no speeding on the roads etc etc etc.
You then bring all of your gear to the line and set up your rests.Your guns can only have bolts in them when the match director says bolts in.
You get 6 minutes to sight in and then there is a 1 minute time when targets are changed or taped up.You then get 10 minutes to fire your record targets.When your done pull your bolt out.If you want to clean do so but don't go in the front of the bench.
When the pits gets the new targets in place they radio the line.
You now get 3 mintes to sight in 1 minute to work the targets and 10 minutes to shoot your second target.
The same thing for your third target.
We then swap out whatever you need for heavygun and it starts all over again but you shoot 10 shots(right Bolo?)
You need 15 shots for lightgun plus sighters so 25 rounds is kind of light.
In heavygun you need 30 rounds plus sighters so 25 rounds is out of the question.If you plan on using one gun bring 85-100 rounds minimum
Unless you are using a March scope you won't be seeing your bullet holes everything is done with a spotter disk.
Dial your gun in then raise the scope setting 12 inches from your 100 yard setting and you'll be just fine.
02-28-2008, 10:38 AM
So each relay is only three groups, not a 5-group agg?
You're saying that a March will give you 6MM bullet holes @ 600yds???
questions about working the target crew.
I've never pulled targets............how does the person in the pits know that his guy has fired?
---Let's say the shooter misses the frame, how do you know to pull the target?
---What do you do about crossfires? How does the guy in the pit know when to pull the target?
Al you will shoot 3 targets lightgun and 3 targets heavygun per relay or 45 record shots.
The March scope allows you to clearly see 6mm bullet holes at 600 yards.If your shooting a March score champion should be your nickname.
I don't know if Portland has pits but if they do you stand/sit on the catwalk and the Match Director can be heard over the radio.You will staple your target onto a cardboard backer on the frame and the pit boss will walk the line.They will make sure you have a shooter and his/her name is correct on the target.The Match Director will say we have targets bolt up which means quit talking in the pits and get ready.He then says you ave 6 minutes for sight in and your time starts now.Once he/she says now somebody is going to fire immediately.You will see the impact in the berm below your target number pull the target and put a spotter disk in it and run it up.On the next shot pull te disk and put it in the next hole then patch the first hole with a white or blue patch depending on were the hit was on the target.Blue on blue white on white.
If your shooter completely misses the target you can either tell the pit boss he/she is high low right left or you can stab your spotter disk into the carboard backer way to the side of the miss and run the target back up.
After the sight in period is over you either put up a new target or patch the existing target and backer if needed.You then watch the 5 or 10 shots on the record target without doing anything.If nothing goes wrong the pit boss will have you pull that target and give it to the scorer and the process repeats itself.
If your target has less than the required number of shots its kind of tough twinkies(right Bolo)If it has more you tell the pit boss and they handle it.
While your watching the record target keep an eye out for high shots.Some unscrupulous shooters will sometimes(Vary Rarely) try and shoot at a rock or bush on the berm as a sighter.If you see a errant shot and all the targets have the correct number of hits somebody isn't playing the game correctly and you report that to the pit boss as well.
Gary L Noble
02-28-2008, 01:25 PM
There isn't a place to reload at the range. Also the time/course of fire don't give you enough time, unless your very fast.
Rule of thumb fifteen rounds for record thirty rounds made ready to go. Thirty rounds you may need sixty rounds ready. All depends on how many sighters and any emergency that might come up.
They do have pits.
Not all shooters take the full ten minutes to fire there record shots so there is time to run a patch or two down the bore. If you do, remember you only have three minutes for sighters.
The night shoot will give you an idea on what is there and what you need.
Remember to join the NBRSA. We hope to make this work and keep it going.
02-28-2008, 07:15 PM
I think that Al (and myself) need to know if we can join the NBRSA at the time of the shoot..........................In the past when I first started shooting 2100 and 200 yard varmint class, we could join when we registered for the shoot and drew a bench. I assume it's still the same?
Mark Van Beek
02-28-2008, 07:30 PM
Cody.....Ive shot one 600 yarder up there and would like to shoot many more....Must we be members of NBRSA in order to shoot? Also do you have a phone # so one could get some quick info like how the matches are set up as far as number of shots, sighters, etc....As a former IHMSA long range handgunner one has to go slow with me......Thanks, Steve Roemer
02-28-2008, 11:23 PM
For our regular 600 yard shoots we do not require a membership to NBRSA. This is the first time we are putting on a registered match. IF you want your scores to count then you would need to be a member of NBRSA. Like someone said, if you shot a record target you would be SOL. That said: If you want to show up and shoot, you will not be turned away. You can pay the entry fee and shoot and get your targets scored but any records will not be allowed. Only NBRSA members will be shooting for fake wood (trophies) as well.
I will check on the registration at the sign in. If someone knows more about this please chime in.
You are welcome to come shoot the Tuesday night. One thing I would ask is that you have a SOLID 300 yrd zero before you come. It is hard to get someone on paper at 600 yrds at night because we cannot see bullet impacts. IF your on a 300 yrd you can figure about 10 MOA up to hit paper at 600.
To all others--
I would ask that you guys be patient with us on this first go at it. Peter and I, the guys running this have never shot a benchrest match before. We were approached about holding a match and thought that we could help out all the long range benchrest guys by holding a match before the nationals. We have spent the last couple weekends at the range getting the Pits and benches ready.
If you are planning on coming could i do a little role call. This way I know how many benches and target frames we will be using.
And if you have any questions or helpful advice please give me a call. We look forward to meeting all of you and hope for a great match.
02-29-2008, 12:11 AM
Thanks Cody and Gary,
I can have a solid zero.
Gary thanx for the tip on swabbing out ;) I'll be sure and bring a rod and a pocket full of Butch's to the line.
Al and Mark I would call Mrs Pat Ferrell at 405-842-9585 and give her a credit card and get your memberships done and over with before the match.She will send you a card the rule book and a sticker plus you get the NBRSA News letter.
Cody if you've got Gary Noble helping you out the match will go smoothly,he's got lots of matches under his belt.
02-29-2008, 09:20 PM
I think I might have lined up another shooter..........he wants to know how much are match fees for both the Tuesday nite shoot and for Saturday.
03-01-2008, 03:41 PM
Match fees will be $15.00 enless we do a a state championship we might charge a little more.
First off--we shoot 600 yrd practice matches every month on the 3rd sat. During the winter months we shoot on the 3rd tuesday night aswell. When it stays light longer...i think next month (April) we will start shooting every Tuesday night. We charge $10.00 if you just want to pay per time or $30.00 for the year.
The resaon for the great deal on the $30.00 upfront was for us to raise some cash to purchase lights and extension cords for the night shoots. Most people pay the $30.00 for the year so you do not have to worry about it tell next Jan.
03-01-2008, 10:21 PM
So, on regards to your request for a roll call, I see ingrng (Mark Van Beek) myself and my brother-in-law coming as far as the locals mentioned in this thread :cool:.
03-08-2008, 01:00 PM
Is the range open on Friday for a look around, get familiar with layout, etc/
Can one shoot 100 at the range on Friday, to establish a zero?
How far do shooters have to carry Heavy guns from parking to the benches?
03-08-2008, 03:33 PM
I don't know whether the range would be open to "non-members" or not. That said, I can take you in as my guest for a look around, and to get a zero. I need to zero my rifle as well. How many fellows are we talking about?
I get off work at 2:30 on Fridays, so I could meet you in Tualatin at the exit from I-5, and then we could make our way to the range.
Let me know,
Mark Van Beek
03-08-2008, 03:36 PM
As for the distance from parking to the benches, it's all level ground with concrete walkways, so carts work well. One can also park (for unloading and loading) next to the door to the range house. The benches are within spitting distance. Makes it easy for us old "stove-up codgers" to get set-up.
No question about it, this is a first class facility.
03-08-2008, 05:51 PM
Sent an email to you.
03-10-2008, 09:54 AM
I will also be avaliavable friday to help get people in to get zero's and look around. So If you would like to come to the range just PM me and we can get a time a meeting place. Or just give me a call.
03-10-2008, 06:05 PM
Thanks for the heads-up, Cody...........I'm sure some of the out of town folks will be happy to hear this.
Since I am a member, I took the liberty of inviting the three Idaho fellows (all known to me) to meet me in Tualatin and follow me to the range on Friday afternoon. I shot with JayIdaho for four years at the Montana club, and we have become chat buddies via this forum as well as E-Mails. He and his friends are good folks, and I'm glad that they're coming to the shoot. Here's hoping for this to become a regular event.
I don't know if you've heard from any of the fellows from Kalifornia, but I believe that there are a number of them plannng to be here as well. Don't forget the boys from Northern Washington, I'm sure there will be a few of them showing up too.
Again, I'm pleased to see this event finally happen!
Mark Van Beek
03-15-2008, 06:37 PM
I wanted to put a big thank you out to all that showed up and shot with us today. For the first time running a match I feel we did a pretty good job, but have some things to work on.
We at Tri County Gun Club will look forward to making a 600 yard bench program part of what we have to offer.
If any attendees have some helpfull critizism, please feel free to PM or call. All opinions are welcome.
We are finilizing a schedule for upcomming events and will post it here.
03-15-2008, 06:52 PM
Light Gun Total
Name Agg Score
Roy Seymour 2.741 131
Rob Seeley 3.123 128
Jim Gallant 3.240 131
Gary Noble 3.541 128
Bruce Bangeman 3.575 130
Larry Kahle 3.959 136
Curt Mendenhall 4.101 129
Jay McMunn 4.441 111
Steve Roemer 4.518 127
Mark VanBeek 4.643 126
Al Matson 6.076 111
Tanner Furniss 9.200 93
Gregg Wallace 10.007 85
Billy Copelin 10.263 72
Robert Troian 13.147 82
Roy Seymour 2.303
Larry Kahle 136-2
Heavy Gun Agg Score
Curt Mendenhall 3.646 274
Bruce Bangeman 4.100 285
Jim Gallant 4.175 245
Rob Seeley 5.005 272
Larry Kahle 5.192 257
Gary Noble 6.028 255
Jay McMunn 6.103 215
Al Matson 7.025 231
Robert Troian 7.068 267
Mark VanBeek 7.803 218
Billy Copelin 9.464 243
Bruce Bangeman 3.364
Bruce Bangeman 285.000
2 gun Combined
Jim Gallant 3.708
Bruce Bangeman 415-8
03-15-2008, 09:18 PM
I wish I could have made it, it sounds as if the turnout was good, congrads to all, and good luck with future matches, maybe I will be able to make it next time. Ron Tilley
It looks like lots of familiar names on that list and Jim Galant is still shooting very well.Congratulations to all that attended and the winners.
Gary Noble what happened to Billy? Did his barrel unscrew? Tell him he better shoot better than that in April or even I can beat him.
How was the weather?
Jay,Idaho looks like he had a good time as well.
Alinwa were you using a tuner?
03-15-2008, 11:01 PM
Nope, not even a tuner would have helped me :D
I actually did ok considering, my groups were decent but with too many dropped shots. I shot different lots of brass for all but two relays which changed my poi. I also used different loads for doping than for record on two relays which resulted in my groups missing blue......I learned that there are guys that take this 600yd thang seriously and that a 6.5-20 power scope doesn't cut it. I shot a thrown-together 700 in a no-turn 6BR that I'd re-weighted to make 15.5 with decent balance.
I got my feet wet, I met some awesome guys and I'll be ready next time. I should have a 6X47 running for the next match and I'm fired up to finish my Heavy project now....
And I confirmed Henry's BC figures for the 108 Eubers......I was putting on 15moa from 100 to reach 600. This is spot on the charts because I'd dropped to 2800fps and HBC lists the BC @ .460 instead of the .540 quoted. This was my first time shooting the bullets over 350yds.
I worked it hard, sweated to get what I got, my shoulders and eyes hurt on the drive home........ and I WILL BE BACK :)
WithOUT "Big Red" ...... :o .....(the test-mule rifle which I used)
Thanx to Mark Van Beek for helping me out. Gary, Cody and Peter for running a tidy match. It went well enough that Gary was able to shoot both relays.
03-15-2008, 11:50 PM
BTW Cody, sorry to post this here but I've mispalced your email and forgot to give you this, my NBRSA number is
N 85553 NW
03-16-2008, 12:05 AM
A couple of other items.......
I'm not the one to be telling anyone anything about this sport :o but to all of you who want to try it, GET A BIGGER SCOPE!!
I can't tell you how frustrating it is to shoot blind! I've never shot this way except for at 1000 and this 600yd game is close enough that you CAN see bullet holes. I could see them part of the time with my 6.5X20, only in the white. My kids just told me that my eyes are all red.
And just to tell on Jayidaho, (since he's still driving home) I pulled his targets for him............He shot an X on his sighter, I plugged it and he radio'd down for the small spot because it obscured the bull. And he BLEW the pin apart and ripped a three inch hole in he bull! So I patched up the hole and put in another little plug and he blew IT apart!!! He blew it up so bad that the paper disc rained down......... He got half of both pegs for a memento.....
scared me :D
[QUOTE I learned that there are guys that take this 600yd thang seriously and that a 6.5-20 power scope doesn't cut it.
Al these guys take it real serious and you haven't shot against The Pumpkin and Mr Robert(Bob) Hoppe yet!!!!!!!
Hard to imagine these quiet guys who are hard to hear because they speak so softly are such fierce competitors.After they whoop up on you they help you out.
The most common scope seems to be a 12-42 but even with it you can't always see your shots especially in the blue,for that you need a March.
03-16-2008, 12:58 AM
I left the match today seriously considering a March.
I still am.
I'll try my 36 and my 45 and see how they do.
It's starting to look like this might be the game to play around here.
Al what was the weather like up there? My uncle has two ranches one in New Pine Creek and the other in Lakeview which is basicaly on both sides of the Oregon/California border and it was really coming down up there.
03-16-2008, 11:26 AM
50 degrees and mostly overcast with sun breaks. It didn't rain until shooting was over.
Some of the guys were saying that the sun VS clouds was good for a minute of vertical.
I'd like to believe that that was part of my problem :D:D
Gary L Noble
03-16-2008, 03:39 PM
The turn out was what we expected for the first match. Hopefully it will grow.
It was good to put faces to the names of everyone.
Hope everybody had a good time and plans to return.
Peter and Cody did a fine job running the match, first time they had to deal with benchresters. Some of them can be a challenge.
03-16-2008, 05:09 PM
While I have limited exposure to organized rifle matches, I can't imagine having a better run match. The brief but stern commands by Peter kept the relays moving at a good clip and there were no concerns about safety breaches or any wasted time. Also, Cody took time on Friday to get some of us onto the 100 yard range for a zero and we got to see the layout before the match.
Very nice facilities and it is a fun place to visit and shoot. Those of us from outside the area will surely be encouraging others to attend future matches.
A sincere thank you to those that took the time to get this thing started and working to make it a good match.
03-17-2008, 08:04 PM
I'll have to second Jay's response. While it was a new thing for the folks that ran the shoot, (first Registerd Match) they did a splendid job! Although I made an offer of a few suggestions on how to make things go a little quicker in the sure to happen future matches, they ran a very safe match indeed. Nothing sloppy here....................................the results were compiled and presented in a very efficient manner, allowing those who were traveling an early departure. This is one of the things that make it far more enjoyable for those who travel long distances to matches. No one likes waiting for hours to hear the results.
My only real suggestion would be for Peter and Cody to anounce a shooters meeting at a specified time. With all the milling about and visiting that took place, I know that there were a few shooters that needed further clarification of the course of fire, rules, procedures, etc. This is in no way meant to be a harsh criticism of the match leaders efforts, just a suggestion as to how to better coax all the participants to meet and pay attention to the particulars.
Mark Van Beek
03-18-2008, 10:58 AM
I wanted to thank Cody and Peter for all of their effort. Sorry I had to leave early. You guys did great and I am looking forward to many more shoots at Tri County.
Gary, see! I finally figured out how to register and post comments; now I just need to believe you!
03-20-2008, 11:43 PM
We do appreciate all the positive feed back. It was a learning experience and we look forward to running some more matches.
Thanks again for coming out and supporting us.
I will get the schedule of the other matches up shortly.
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