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GordonE
02-15-2008, 11:47 AM
Just came in from shooting. BECAUSE ITS WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!

Fiddler
02-15-2008, 12:03 PM
until the new Lapua makes it out. I hear its a lot more expensive. Will it be worth it????

steve
02-15-2008, 12:13 PM
So did you shoot good?

GordonE
02-15-2008, 12:35 PM
Fiddler, Can't say much about Laupa as i don't shoot it.

Hey Steve How you feeling? Shooting on a day like today I am feeling all "warm and fuzzy" With the Shul.

Dew
02-15-2008, 01:03 PM
The reason ammo of any kind cost so much is because the dollar has no value anymore. The reason it has no or little value is because of the Federal Government and fiscal policies.

You must trust me on this.

D

Kent Owens
02-15-2008, 01:08 PM
Gordon,
Has it gone up again?!! The last I tested shot good for what it cost. It wouldn't shoot groups though. All of the bullets just went thru one little hole, bout the size of one of the smiley faces on the right of the screen? What's that all about?

gordon gauge
02-15-2008, 02:54 PM
A Lapua seller told me that the price across the board DOUBLED. :mad::(






oops, sorry if I hijacked an Eley thread......

Lew
02-15-2008, 03:03 PM
Because the AMERICAN Dollar ain't worth squat against the EURO......:eek:

bob hardy
02-15-2008, 03:16 PM
Darn shame that the American ammo cos. stopped making premium ammo.
It's not that they can't.
Bob

karls42
02-15-2008, 03:27 PM
Federal told me THEY FORGOT how to make Ultra Match and Gold Medal Match.

The R&D costs would be too high to start up again.

They wanted me to believe all the tooling, gauges and development data went to the landfill!

GordonE
02-15-2008, 03:50 PM
Kent, You must have the same Lots That i have.

steve
02-15-2008, 04:05 PM
Kent, If you want to shoot groups you should set the control to the DITHER setting. It spreads them out with a pleasing soft edge.

garrisone
02-15-2008, 04:22 PM
Let them keep the high priced stuff. garrisone.

Kent Owens
02-15-2008, 04:37 PM
I'll have to remember that Steve! I don't know if that ole 40X has that setting or not, but if it don't I can loosen the guard screws and take off the tuner. That should spread 'em out into a pattern.
Seriously, they are making some very good ammo. Last week we shot about 5 different lots through 5 different BR rifles and it all shot very well.

That was in 70 degree weather with sunshine so it should do well when it warms up too.

billyg
02-15-2008, 06:08 PM
I think around 2000 Eley began R&D on EPS and in 2003??
built a new factory for 22 production and 2004-2006 replaced all 22 machines and refurbished a cople others.
Sounds like a lot of money spent by Eley and now they are getting it back with a handsome profit. Now with a new package who knows where it will end up.
Lapua has gone to school on this model and IF they can make a better ammo God help us.
Air guns make look better and better.
Till the gunsmiths on airguns and the Lothar Walther and pellet makers see the green light at the end of the tunnel.

1813benny
02-15-2008, 06:08 PM
Federal told me THEY FORGOT how to make Ultra Match and Gold Medal Match.

The R&D costs would be too high to start up again.

They wanted me to believe all the tooling, gauges and development data went to the landfill!

My B-S meter is pegged from that comment from Federal! They just don't want to be pestered about restarting the Ultramatch product.

No company, no matter how STOOOOOOPID they are, "forgets" how they made an entire product line. It's just retired "indefinately" with the formula / process put into the back of the vault.

tim
02-15-2008, 06:24 PM
A Lapua seller told me that the price across the board DOUBLED. :mad::(






oops, sorry if I hijacked an Eley thread......

Wrong.

GordonE
02-15-2008, 08:02 PM
What is interesting is the price of gas in the last few years has gone out of sight. Now that gas isn't a bit better than it was 20 years ago. Eley Ammo has gone up in price quite a bit. But the Quality of Eley Just keeps getting better all the time.

garrisone
02-15-2008, 08:59 PM
Mr Owens: I am happy that a good number of you folks can afford this high priced Elley but a lot of us can't. That leaves those of us who can't afford it out of the compitition and leaves a good size of others in their own little group. What is your answer to the constant rise of this ammo for those of us who just can't afford it. Good ole Kathy has said it will come down in price which I view as BS-. I will not hold my breath for it to come down in price soon. That leaves only one thing find cheaper ammo or get out of the benchrest rimfire game and do something eles. Maybe mumbly peg -that should be affordable. garrisone.

Kent Owens
02-15-2008, 09:55 PM
garrisone,
Let me tell you friend, I can't afford high priced ammo any more than the next fellow. Iwish it was a buck a box myself, but it isn't.
When I started shooting rimfire BR several years back if you found a batch of ammo that would shoot 247-248 with no bad flyers and shoot 12 or more X's you were very HAPPY and you could win with it. The first 3-gun match I ever won was a 247-13X sporter, 248-13X 10.5 class, and a 248-15X 13.5 class target score, and I thought I had some killer ammo. This was back when Tenex cost about 900 a case. Back then a 250 score was a rare bird, unless the fellow had a stash of old gold box Lapua.
By comparison back in September of last year at our monthly IR5050 match at Blue Ridge, there were 3-250's in the sporter class alone shooting Eley ammo. I think there were 11or 12 250's overall. That was unheard of in 2002! I think I saw one 250 shot in my second year of matches! Danny Hepler shot it with DJ's new Calfee Turbo at Summerville, SC. That was the first 250 that Dan and the rifle shot!

I guess my point to this long drug out post is, we used to pay about as much for ammo that shot a lot worse. Yeah, it does cost more, but to it's credit it is worth more too. The Eley EPS Club ammo I tested last week shot better than the Tenex I shot in 2002, much better.
As for what I'm doing to afford it, I just installed a heat pump to run as a primary to heat my home instead of fuel oil, and use fuel oil as a backup. I should save enough to buy a brick of EPS a month;) I've cut way back on smokin' Cuban cigars too.
What really ticked me off was the price of fuel oil when I got the last batch at 3.17 a gallon plus tax.
Where do you shoot rimfire BR. I've never ran across you at a match in this area have I?

GordonE
02-16-2008, 07:48 AM
Kent, That was a Hit The Nail On The Head Post. If people would stop and think. Black box Eley is the same price as Red box was 3 years ago and it SHOOTS BETTER. Club is as good right now as the Black Box was 3 years ago. I have had 2 different cases of Club that i use to tune guns ,test guns that i worked on, expariment. At 6.00 a box. We can shoot now for the same price we did 3 years ago.

Mooseyard
02-17-2008, 01:50 PM
Mr Owens: I am happy that a good number of you folks can afford this high priced Elley but a lot of us can't. That leaves those of us who can't afford it out of the compitition and leaves a good size of others in their own little group. What is your answer to the constant rise of this ammo for those of us who just can't afford it. Good ole Kathy has said it will come down in price which I view as BS-. I will not hold my breath for it to come down in price soon. That leaves only one thing find cheaper ammo or get out of the benchrest rimfire game and do something eles. Maybe mumbly peg -that should be affordable. garrisone.

Mumbly peg:eek: Have you seen what doctors offices charge today. Your first trip to the ER to get a finger stitched back on would easily pay for a case of Eley black box:D A good knife ain't cheap either!

garrisone
02-18-2008, 06:53 PM
My B-S meter is pegged from that comment from Federal! They just don't want to be pestered about restarting the Ultramatch product.

No company, no matter how STOOOOOOPID they are, "forgets" how they made an entire product line. It's just retired "indefinately" with the formula / process put into the back of the vault.

If you mention the cost of ammo and the lack of American manufactories makeing :mad: rim fire ammo ( Like federal ) you run the risk of offendeing some folks that just don't mind paying over a thousand dollars for Ammo. I don't care to make someone in another country rich at haveing to pay so much for ammo.Thanks for your time. garrisone.

bob hardy
02-21-2008, 05:46 PM
If Federal "forgot" how they made the Ultra, then perhaps they could rewind the telecast of the old Sat. morning gun show "American Shooter." The host was given a tour of the Federal .22lr factory, and although the Ultra process was somewhat guarded, the equipment was shown in action. Even the priming process was shown as I recall. But, I've got a hunch they don't need any reminders. I spoke to a lady at Champion Shooters Supply, and she said that in the past, Winchester made some wonderful stuff too. She also said that if W would produce it, they would buy all that they produced. Big red W declined the offer.
Bob

Colt.45
02-21-2008, 06:58 PM
I'm with you on the issue.Some folks can afford to pay the $1,000.00 + per case for ammo and i am happy for them but i can't so i wish we had a domestic alternative also. And yes i know that everything has gone up,gas,heating fuel,food ect. but if i "have" to cut out something because of steadily increasing cost, guess what it will have to be? Wish it was different but.............
Colt.45:(

tim
02-21-2008, 07:34 PM
If you mention the cost of ammo and the lack of American manufactories makeing :mad: rim fire ammo ( Like federal ) you run the risk of offendeing some folks that just don't mind paying over a thousand dollars for Ammo. I don't care to make someone in another country rich at haveing to pay so much for ammo.Thanks for your time. garrisone.
Ammo costs what ammo costs. When Federal made it it was just as expensive as anything else, nobody LIKES to pay these prices, bottom line BR costs money. How many guys bitchin about everything here built at least one new gun in the last two years? Nothing about BR is cheap, never has been, never will be, not my fault, just a simple observation. Don't like it, go do what Joe Haller does by shooting lots of simple straight forward classes ofwhich many are quite affordable. Who's to say he's wrong? Do they have fun? You bet. You can bark at the moon all night but tomorrow it will be back.

1813benny
02-21-2008, 11:06 PM
If you mention the cost of ammo and the lack of American manufactories makeing :mad: rim fire ammo ( Like federal ) you run the risk of offendeing some folks that just don't mind paying over a thousand dollars for Ammo. I don't care to make someone in another country rich at haveing to pay so much for ammo.Thanks for your time. garrisone.

What is being forgotten by many is the fundamental fact that it is still the shooter who determines the win or loss at the firing line. Yes, ammunition is a very important factor, but not the greatest. In this day of testing and tuning of countless numbers of lots, there is probably an equal number of matches won with top grade as there is with a "lower" :rolleyes: grade ammunition.

Maybe I'm outta touch, but the color of the packaging is not what matters....it's just different levels of "bling" and psychologicial mumbo jumbo.

As for making someone else "rich" in another country, I have to say that there is nothing that I would like better than having a match grade ammunition made here in the US. I would be happy to throw my name into the hat for a few cases right now if Federal or Winchester brought back the good stuff of not too many years ago. As for supporting the US economy, both cars in the garage are made in the US and I REFUSE to shop at Walmart. I practice what I believe in....

But alas, I digress from the topic at hand. This is not a forum for an economics lesson.

The lesson here is that if you have such little faith in yourself as a shooter just because you are not paying the most for ammunition, it really does not matter. You are already defeated.

As for me and countless others, we'll test and match our rifles to a less expensive ammunition and still win.