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sgt_jamez
09-07-2019, 04:41 PM
So I am your typical 6PPC newbie trying to make some informed decisions before kerplunking a ton of cash into this project. I'd like to lay out my equipment plan and if I am lucky, you seasoned shooters will tell me if I am making good choices or offer alternatives. Thank you in advance!

Rifle Intended for 100/200 yard Light/Heavy Varmint Comp
Action - Bighorn Arms TL3 single shot RBLP
Barrel - Pac-Nor 22" Small Shank Savage thread, 3-groove, 1:12 twist, .060" freebore, .262" neck (Bart's 68 BTs to Berger 80 FBs)
Trigger - Jewell BR or Triggertech Diamond
Stock - Kelbly's Klub, TMBR, or SPG FB Anyone know how long it takes to get a stock made by Kelbly?

I have some range reloading gear and intend to load at the range
Press - I have the Harrell's Combo
Sizing die - What are your thoughts on the JLC FL die? Do the bushings size all the way to the neck shoulder junction?
Seater die - Wilson Sinclair micrometer seater inline die
Powder meter - I have the Harrell's Classic
Scale - Do you guys weigh charges at the range? I have a Gem Pro 250 but it eats batteries like crazy. Better solution?
Funnel/drop tube - Been throwing 6BR charges straight from the Harrell's to the case. Would a funnel drop tube like the 6" or 10" from 21st Century be better?
Inside Chamfer tool - Considering the K&M controlled depth tapered reamer (at home I use a redding trimmer with a RCBS 3-way)

The stock and the myriad of details for the barrel chamber are really an issue for me. I have limited funds so I am trying very hard to make the best choices up front. Thanks for taking the time to read all this!

-Jim

Kyle Schultz
09-07-2019, 07:19 PM
I'm not going to directly address your questions but will instead offer some general advice.

1) Forget about all the equipment specs for now and focus on finding a mentor. I see from your profile, you're near Sacramento, CA. If you haven't done so, contact Dan Lutke (Sloughhouse Shooters) at 408-241-9759 and tell him you want to get involved in benchrest shooting. I don't know Dan personally but I would almost guarantee that he'll be thrilled to talk with you.

2) From the NBRSA website, it appears the Sloughhouse Shooters host a number of long range and short range group and score matches.

https://www.nbrsa.org/southwest-region-match-schedule-2019/

If you haven't done so, go out to the matches, introduce yourself, and tell the folks you're interested in benchrest shooting. That will get the ball rolling for sure.

3) Once you're sure the sport is for you and you want to get a rifle, try to find a used rifle on a proven action like a Panda, BAT, Borden, or Stiller. Even if you replace the existing barrel with a new one, you'll be hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars ahead of the game. Your new friends at Sloughhouse will help you. And I suggest you stick with something like a Panda or BAT action because there will always be a resale market for those actions.

4) Spend time with the Search function on this forum. I promise you every question you've raised has been asked before and many good shooters have offered their opinion.

5) Finally, if your goal is to win matches, prepare yourself to be disappointed. The real wining in benchrest shooting is found in the time spent with your new friends and from the personal satisfaction that comes with learning/perfecting new skills.

Hope this helps. Good luck!

B_Rob85
09-07-2019, 08:20 PM
I agree with everything Kyle said. I was in your shoes about 18 months ago.

Go to some matches, watch and ask questions!
Buy Tony Boyers “book on rifle accuracy”.

I too recommend a Bat or Panda, but you really need to go see for yourself. I’m sure plenty of guys will offer to let you shoot their rifles and discuss gear with you. You’ll learn far more that way than you will on forums.

There’s a steep learning curve so don’t get discouraged. There’s nothing more satisfying than shooting your first screamer in a match, or your first top 3 Agg, or first top 10 2-gun or whatever goals you set for yourself. It’s all about the journey and friendships gained!

Brian

sgt_jamez
09-07-2019, 09:08 PM
I am a voting member out at Sac Valley and I have even shot once at a score match (I held my own at the bottom of the list:cool:) out there with my home-built Savage 6BR.

You guys are right in that they are a good source of info, but my schedule doesn't line up with their shoots as often as I would like, so I was seeking some additional info here. Yes, I am familiar with the virtues of BAT, Panda, Stolle, Hall. But the intent was to build the rifle myself, and I don't have the ability to cut the chamber and headspace as would be required for one of the aforementioned options.

Anyway, thank you guys for your input. Any and all are appreciated.

michaeljp65
09-07-2019, 09:58 PM
AS other people have said, stick to a Stolle panda or Bat action, these are what win or have won in the past. Its best to use proven equipment. Your barrel will need to be a 13 to 14 twist for the bullets you intend to use. The majority of shooters use a Jewel or Bix n andy trigger. And a good cheapish scope is a sightron 36x dot reticle. And you might want a smaller freebore especially with BT bullets .060" won't leave much bearing surface in the case neck with boat tail bullets, i think. I have a .030" freebore and my FB Barts are about halfway down the neck. Your .060" might be ok with flat base bullets.
Have a look at the NBRSA website for equipment lists and see what the everyone is using.

alinwa
09-07-2019, 11:19 PM
Well Sarge (Thank You For Your Service, Seriously) ....... it sounds like you have a plan well in hand :)

You've gotten really sound advice.

I'll add this, I, as in me personally, my hard-earned money, spent tens of thousands of dollars over 6-8yrs trying to #1-"save money" and #2-"prove a point" and #3-"do things my way, on my own terms" before I learned a valuable lesson...... "Buy FROM A REAL BR GUY a rifle BUILT BY A REAL BR GUY" if you want to throw around the term "BR".....

And this is from a guy who actually went to an approved Gunsmithing School and was undisputed top of my class for the nearly two years before they expelled me for abnormal behaviour. I was a working gunsmith, in a shop, within two days of being expelled and worked in 3 different sporting goods stores in different states over time....in my own personal opinion I was the best sporterizer in the market dollar-for-dollar.

I could "make a gun shoot" like no other.

Until BR.

I had 5 "PPC's" prior to owning a built "Benchrest Rifle"

I had 15 "custom guns" in things like 6BR, 22BR, .243AI, 22-250, 222, 223, 308 and a list of satisfied folks around me, all proudly carrying wallet groups just like me (but not as good as mine)

Then I got a real 6PPC.

And started all over from scratch.

is all's I'm sayin'

:)

rkittine
09-08-2019, 07:44 AM
Finding a mentor was the trick for me too. Then I attended three of Bob White's Benchrest Clinics and Seminars. Harley Baker was a big influence on what to purchase regarding support equipment. Then I bought what I really needed.

Bob

jackie schmidt
09-08-2019, 11:03 AM
Finding a mentor is number one on my list.

When I first started Benchrest years ago,(mid '90's), I was fortunate enough to have several mentors, Glenn Newick in particular. At the very least a good mentor will help you understand many of the concepts of Benchrest that are foreign to many shooters.

Sooner or later you will develop your own ideas. One of our biggest problems is many of us keep trying to reinvent the wheel. It's a natural progression in our never ending battle to do better the next time. But when first starting out, stick with the basic tried and true formula.

I have several ideas that worked great. But I also have a closet full that were simply an exercise in futility.

Benchrest Rifles are very one dimensional in in their purpose. What it does, it does very well, but the truth is, it is not a very practical piece of equipment out of it's inviroment. We sacrifice all other parameters of Rifle performance for on thing, the ability to shoot competitive ages in a competitive arena.

I'm heading up to Tomball this morning to shoot my Rail Gun, getting ready for the Nationals. Hopefully this barrel will be a keeper. If it is, and shoots well, a fellow club member will probably come over and marvel at the tiny groups.

But think about it. That is what it is designed and built to do. If it won't, it is a thoroughly useless piece of equipment, aside from being a 90 pound door stop.

Greyfox
09-08-2019, 12:12 PM
Clearly you have received a lot of very good advice. I'll only add a little as I'm one of those who tend to try and reinvent the whee and understand where you are coming from. The mentor thing is #1 priority. But # 2 is decide if you want to compete/win or do you want to build your own? If you really want to learn this game and win some fake wood now and then, set aside the idea of building your own rifle for now. As I think was mentioned you will save hundreds, maybe thousands if you buy a used benchrest rifle, preferably one that you know has won matches. This is even if you have to pay a little more for it. Save you building plans until you KNOW what works in this game. Also, you won't learn how to read the wind until you shoot a truly accurate rifle. While it's possible you may do this with your own build, odds are against it, especially with the list you gave.

Rick

Eddie Harren
09-08-2019, 01:10 PM
Plenty of good advice so far.
I'll add that a well built rifle, good barrel, great bullets, top of the line rest and bags and a good scope are all useless without a good set of wind flags!

Butch Lambert
09-08-2019, 03:03 PM
Plenty of good advice so far.
I'll add that a well built rifle, good barrel, great bullets, top of the line rest and bags and a good scope are all useless without a good set of wind flags!

Yes Sir!

wfcustom
09-08-2019, 04:12 PM
[QUOTE=Kyle Schultz;827125]I'm not going to directly address your questions but will instead offer some general advice.

1) Forget about all the equipment specs for now and focus on finding a mentor. I see from your profile, you're near Sacramento, CA. If you haven't done so, contact Dan Lutke (Sloughhouse Shooters) at 408-241-9759 and tell him you want to get involved in benchrest shooting. I don't know Dan personally but I would almost guarantee that he'll be thrilled to talk with you.

2) From the NBRSA website, it appears the Sloughhouse Shooters host a number of long range and short range group and score matches.

https://www.nbrsa.org/southwest-region-match-schedule-2019/

If you haven't done so, go out to the matches, introduce yourself, and tell the folks you're interested in benchrest shooting. That will get the ball rolling for sure.

3) Once you're sure the sport is for you and you want to get a rifle, try to find a used rifle on a proven action like a Panda, BAT, Borden, or Stiller. Even if you replace the existing barrel with a new one, you'll be hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars ahead of the game. Your new friends at Sloughhouse will help you. And I suggest you stick with something like a Panda or BAT action because there will always be a resale market for those actions.

Sgt. Jamez,

I agree with everything Kyle says above, and as a fellow member of Sac Valley (I'm the one who got the BR range started out there and was Match Director the first 12 years)
I would like to extend a personal invite to come out to one of our next two matches (VFS on Oct 6th, LV/HV Group Nov 2 & 3).
Dan Lutke who is the current match director for the group matches (I usually just run the VFS matches now) just underwent Knee surgery on Friday so he might not get back to you right away, but you can always contact me at wfcustom@comcast.net with any questions.

If you want to shoot a real BR rifle at one of the matches let me know and I'm sure I or one of our fellow shooters can hook you up with a rifle and ammo.
Just let us know enough ahead of time.
Also +1 on a good set of flags because as already mentioned you do need a good (predictable) rifle to learn to read the wind, but the best rifle won't shoot for you
if you can't read the wind, and you can't read the wind without a good set of flags.
(is that a paradox?):confused:

Hope to see ya out there on Range 11,
Greg

alinwa
09-08-2019, 08:25 PM
[QUOTE=Kyle Schultz;827125]

.................
Also +1 on a good set of flags because as already mentioned you do need a good (predictable) rifle to learn to read the wind, but the best rifle won't shoot for you
if you can't read the wind, and you can't read the wind without a good set of flags.
(is that a paradox?):confused:

Hope to see ya out there on Range 11,
Greg

Truer words were never spoken!

And, what I chose to do is..... I got the rifle first and made some wind indicators for a while. I tried all sorts of things but a half dozen 4ft woodstakes or lath and a roll of surveyors tape will certainly get you started at least in light to moderate winds.

I did spend twice too much money here though also (notice a trend? It's "The Alinwa Way" ;) ) in spending hundreds of dollars over time making my own, buying a full set of the WRONG flags, trying to make do with a mismatched mish-mash of "good" flags but not all matched the same and FINALLY just recently biting the bullet and buying a matched setup of known flags from a reputable maker.


What I'm trying to say is, IMO flags can be one of two things and still be cost-effective, either wood stakes and tape, or buy a set of good ones.

And (again, MY OPINION!) if you stumble acros't a Begg's Wind Probe...... buy it

(ok, 3 things lol)

sgt_jamez
09-09-2019, 12:26 AM
[QUOTE=Kyle Schultz;827125]I'm not going to directly address your questions but will instead offer some general advice.

1) Forget about all the equipment specs for now and focus on finding a mentor. I see from your profile, you're near Sacramento, CA. If you haven't done so, contact Dan Lutke (Sloughhouse Shooters) at 408-241-9759 and tell him you want to get involved in benchrest shooting. I don't know Dan personally but I would almost guarantee that he'll be thrilled to talk with you.

2) From the NBRSA website, it appears the Sloughhouse Shooters host a number of long range and short range group and score matches.

https://www.nbrsa.org/southwest-region-match-schedule-2019/

If you haven't done so, go out to the matches, introduce yourself, and tell the folks you're interested in benchrest shooting. That will get the ball rolling for sure.

3) Once you're sure the sport is for you and you want to get a rifle, try to find a used rifle on a proven action like a Panda, BAT, Borden, or Stiller. Even if you replace the existing barrel with a new one, you'll be hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars ahead of the game. Your new friends at Sloughhouse will help you. And I suggest you stick with something like a Panda or BAT action because there will always be a resale market for those actions.

Sgt. Jamez,

I agree with everything Kyle says above, and as a fellow member of Sac Valley (I'm the one who got the BR range started out there and was Match Director the first 12 years)
I would like to extend a personal invite to come out to one of our next two matches (VFS on Oct 6th, LV/HV Group Nov 2 & 3).
Dan Lutke who is the current match director for the group matches (I usually just run the VFS matches now) just underwent Knee surgery on Friday so he might not get back to you right away, but you can always contact me at wfcustom@comcast.net with any questions.

If you want to shoot a real BR rifle at one of the matches let me know and I'm sure I or one of our fellow shooters can hook you up with a rifle and ammo.
Just let us know enough ahead of time.
Also +1 on a good set of flags because as already mentioned you do need a good (predictable) rifle to learn to read the wind, but the best rifle won't shoot for you
if you can't read the wind, and you can't read the wind without a good set of flags.
(is that a paradox?):confused:

Hope to see ya out there on Range 11,
Greg

Greg,

I do believe my friend Nick and I met you. I would love to take you up on the offer of using an actual BR rifle. It would be awesome if someone had a donor rifle for me to use. Overwhelmingly the responses I've gotten here tell me that I'd be blowing it to try to build my own rifle. The tinkerer in me hates the idea of buying used, but I did ask for advice. I should definitely listen to what I am being told. I'll admit, that's a hard pill for me to swallow. But I do want a "real" BR gun. I don't need a $4,000 aneurysm! I will be in contact to sign up for the VFS match (is that varmint for score? not familiar with that). This is definitely a case of not hearing what I thought I would. Thank you everyone who has taken the time and care to respond. I will definitely hold off on trying to build and I will see what comes from going back to Range 11! Thank you all!

Sgt Jamez

WyleWD
09-09-2019, 07:05 AM
Excellent advice has been given to you, especially Kyle's and those recommending wind flags.

All I'd add (from one new guy to another) is to buy the absolute BEST scope you can possibly afford that fits the discipline and any weight restrictions there may be. And while you're making the rounds at the range look through as many as you can. A wise and seasoned shooter once told me that the most expensive mistake you can make is buying a cheap scope that won't hold zero and has poor visibility through it. I've found that to be exactly correct. JME. And good luck in your endeavor to get into the 6ppc game. It's frustrating at times, but extremely fulfilling when it all comes together. (Trust me) ;-) WD

jackie schmidt
09-09-2019, 09:03 AM
Excellent advice has been given to you, especially Kyle's and those recommending wind flags.

All I'd add (from one new guy to another) is to buy the absolute BEST scope you can possibly afford that fits the discipline and any weight restrictions there may be. And while you're making the rounds at the range look through as many as you can. A wise and seasoned shooter once told me that the most expensive mistake you can make is buying a cheap scope that won't hold zero and has poor visibility through it. I've found that to be exactly correct. JME. And good luck in your endeavor to get into the 6ppc game. It's frustrating at times, but extremely fulfilling when it all comes together. (Trust me) ;-) WD

The most expensive mistake you can make is buying a high dollar scope that won't hold zero. Just because something cost a lot is no guarantee it is suitable for short range Group or Score.

Three seasons ago I wasted a lot of good bullets on a line of scopes that were notorious for not settling in after an adjustment and suddenly moving the POI a quarter inch half way through a target. These were scopes from one of the best known and respected manufacturers.

I sold all three off at a huge discount and went to a model that seems to be holding up very well.

WyleWD
09-09-2019, 10:06 AM
The most expensive mistake you can make is buying a high dollar scope that won't hold zero. Just because something cost a lot is no guarantee it is suitable for short range Group or Score.

Three seasons ago I wasted a lot of good bullets on a line of scopes that were notorious for not settling in after an adjustment and suddenly moving the POI a quarter inch half way through a target. These were scopes from one of the best known and respected manufacturers.

I sold all three off at a huge discount and went to a model that seems to be holding up very well.

Excellent point Jackie! Your experience probably made you realize it was a scope issue. A novice might spend lots of time and resources trying to find the issue and lose confidence in shooting ability. Again, good point. Thank you for pointing that out. WD

wfcustom
09-09-2019, 02:25 PM
[QUOTE=wfcustom;827152]

Greg,

I do believe my friend Nick and I met you. I would love to take you up on the offer of using an actual BR rifle. It would be awesome if someone had a donor rifle for me to use. Overwhelmingly the responses I've gotten here tell me that I'd be blowing it to try to build my own rifle. The tinkerer in me hates the idea of buying used, but I did ask for advice. I should definitely listen to what I am being told. I'll admit, that's a hard pill for me to swallow. But I do want a "real" BR gun. I don't need a $4,000 aneurysm! I will be in contact to sign up for the VFS match (is that varmint for score? not familiar with that). This is definitely a case of not hearing what I thought I would. Thank you everyone who has taken the time and care to respond. I will definitely hold off on trying to build and I will see what comes from going back to Range 11! Thank you all!

Sgt Jamez

Jim,
If you would send Dan an a e-mail (cabenchrest@gmail.com) with your e-mail address and ask him to add you to the local BR drip.
This will get you the registration reminder notifications that we send out the week (usually) before the match. He will also send you the schedule and forms.
I will make a note that you will be attending the VFS (Varmint for Score) match on the 6th of Oct, please verify with me the week prior.
I will bring my 6PPC HV rifle and enough rounds to get you through the match, I shoot a 30 BR in score so won't be using it at that match.
I think that holding off on the build until you discuss, use, see, touch, some rifles is a smart decision.
There will be plenty of time for "tinkering" later, as Jackie, Alinwa, and others have pointed out its what we do!
And +1 on a known quality scope.
Greg

Butch Lambert
09-09-2019, 03:11 PM
[QUOTE=wfcustom;827152]

Greg,

I do believe my friend Nick and I met you. I would love to take you up on the offer of using an actual BR rifle. It would be awesome if someone had a donor rifle for me to use. Overwhelmingly the responses I've gotten here tell me that I'd be blowing it to try to build my own rifle. The tinkerer in me hates the idea of buying used, but I did ask for advice. I should definitely listen to what I am being told. I'll admit, that's a hard pill for me to swallow. But I do want a "real" BR gun. I don't need a $4,000 aneurysm! I will be in contact to sign up for the VFS match (is that varmint for score? not familiar with that). This is definitely a case of not hearing what I thought I would. Thank you everyone who has taken the time and care to respond. I will definitely hold off on trying to build and I will see what comes from going back to Range 11! Thank you all!

Sgt Jamez

Sarge, you've had a lot of good advise, but what makes me think that you are ahead of most is you are grateful the suggestions and willing to put your ego on the back burner.
Good luck and it is great to have you.

alinwa
09-09-2019, 06:16 PM
BTW Sarge..... can I use "$4000.00 aneurism?" I mean, FOR ME, I've just got so many places...... I mean I could REALLY use it.......a lot

Tim Oltersdorf
10-03-2019, 02:29 PM
Dear Alinwa, So you were expelled for "abnormal behavior". In the benchrest crowd that is the norm rather than the exception. Did you jump into the lion's cage at the zoo and taunt a male lion like a woman recently did? Heck, even the lion didn't go near her she was so abnormal. Did you go around with a noose around your neck at 2 am like Jussie Smollett? Talk about abnormal have you seen the behavior of the House of Represenatives lately? I don't know what you did to be expelled but compared to that bunch you were probably a rank amateur in the theater of the abnormal. I could go on but I have to go walk my therapy possum. Tim

333smitty
10-03-2019, 05:13 PM
I don't know if this has said in prior threads but make sure your first rifle is a 10 1/2lb light varmint rig.....

I started out in 2005 with a 13 1/2lb heavy varmint rig and it shot very well and have had modest success with it. (still shoots)

But I could not compete with it at 2 Gun matches because of obvious weight restrictions!!! So I had to build another 10 1/2lb rig to compete in 2 Gun matches!!! Another $5000!!!

If I had to do it all over again I would have started out with a 10 1/2lb rig which can be used in all 4 NBRSA classes
and forgo building a 13.5 rig..... =)

Vic

Al Nyhus
10-03-2019, 05:46 PM
I could go on but I have to go walk my therapy possum. Tim

Tell me that wasn't you I saw the other night? :eek: ;) -Al

https://i.imgur.com/JTQz7seh.jpg?1

Tim Oltersdorf
10-03-2019, 06:22 PM
Tell me that wasn't you I saw the other night? :eek: ;) -Al

https://i.imgur.com/JTQz7seh.jpg?1

Al, That was great. I laughed my ass off and that takes a lot of laughter. BTW my possum's name is Brandy and she dances nightly at The Marsupial Club. Like most of my old girlfriends her signature move is playing dead. Tim

Al Nyhus
10-03-2019, 09:05 PM
.... my possum's name is Brandy and she dances nightly at The Marsupial Club.

Brandy, she's a fine girl...

Sorry...couldn't help myself. :o -Al

alinwa
10-04-2019, 12:07 AM
Dear Alinwa, So you were expelled for "abnormal behavior". In the benchrest crowd that is the norm rather than the exception. Did you jump into the lion's cage at the zoo and taunt a male lion like a woman recently did? Heck, even the lion didn't go near her she was so abnormal. Did you go around with a noose around your neck at 2 am like Jussie Smollett? Talk about abnormal have you seen the behavior of the House of Represenatives lately? I don't know what you did to be expelled but compared to that bunch you were probably a rank amateur in the theater of the abnormal. I could go on but I have to go walk my therapy possum. Tim


Oooohhh Dr Tim, you see I was born a poor white chile.... a poor, fundamentalist Christian white child, sheltered and protected from life's slings and arrows. We didn't have TV (sin) nor didn't drink (sin) nor swear (sin) nor chew nor spit nor touch ourself there nor even have bad thoughts.... just ha'ppy ha'ppy happ'ly all the day hippity-hop.

I guess I could call myself a Naive American.

As such, I lissened to my Guidance Councellor and when she said "pick a job doing what you love"..... I reacted "GUNS!" and I went straight from high school to gunsmithing school. A newly formed gunsmithing school. Brand new course, new teachers, new curriculum, first year of the first year, growing pains and all (the class', not mine)

I got to learn about frictions, and people and politics...... yeahh, lots of politics. I won't tell tales out of school except on myself but suffice it to say, I got a crash course in friction. I'm the kid who grew up maxing my limit at the Bookmobile every week.... I thrived on early Heinlein, 'Tom Swift' and EE Doc Smith, idealistic, driven, precocious.....Truth, Justice and the American Way...... and that Charter Class was as PC as they come so we were a mixture indeed. 1/3 vets, and a "cross-section of the commun'ty" ages from 19 to 67 with the buh'ligatory complementary female contingent.

Friction, friction in high places.

The inside story of how the course came into existence is fascinating in it's own right, but suffice it to say that bringing guns, LOTS of guns into a college even back in the 80's required some communal give and take.

AND.... this was before I really learned just how much normal folks hate the smart kids.

Or... to be more specific, the nice kids.....

So I'm just ping-ponging my way blithely along, not a care in the world, doin' my thing......sure sometimes folks were mean or said nasty things but "hey, I prob'ly deserved it" especially if it was a teacher or administrator. My only FRIENDS were those vets. Cuz I KNEW them, I could trust them. I learned as much from them as I did from the course. In fact, in the end, what I learned from them made it worth the student loans. So my first trouble was getting pulled from class by 3 cops, jingling cuffs. Acros't the entire classroom, through the lunchroom, through the commons, through the entire school and out..... not a WORD, just Miranda's and "come with us"

???


I was "going to jail for robbing the machine shop (or auto shop?) teacher at gunpoint"


!!!

Or at least be expelled....


Note that while I'm only a teenager, and a naive one..... I'm not dumb, nor easy, nor guilty!

Of A N Y T H I N G, E V E R ....

And they're jamming me into a corner, a corner I din't even know was THERE!

I did this;

22953


And said "I dunno what's going on but you'se picked the WRONG taildragger to use for your scapegoat boys cuz I ain't done NUTTIN'!"

Which was simple truth.

Next day I'm back in school and of course everyone's wondering.

The Story Is Out, involving money and wimmen and skullduggery in high places culminating in armed robbery, but I'm "in the clear, for now" and I'm instructed to "keep it on the down-low" by the ghosts and higher-ups..... and the vets gave me a new nickname.....and the shop teacher is GONE.... along with another staff member and an administrator... and it WAS a setup. I was the supposed patsy in a cover-up for a large sum of missing petty cash.

ooops

And the frictive forces kinda' ramped up. But I'm just so full of win that I don't notice.... and then I really did miss-step.

Off the rear of our classroom we had a "firearm function-testing room" which consisted of a CMU room with a large pipe poured into the floor at a downward angle into which we routinely fired guns. AND.... in addition to guns, I was always fascinated with pyrotechnics. I was buying saltpetre and sulphur at the drugstore when I was about 11 and the druggist gave me a liddle eyebrow and a lecture, but sold me the stuff when I asked him mildly "should I go get a note from my Mom?"

I had a great childhood. My fascination with 'bang' was encouraged as healthy....

Consequently I ALWAYS had a supply of firecrackers.

And you gotta' remember the 80's and Waco and Ruby Ridge and the BATFE and setups and stings and "full-auto and silencers are jail for life".... you could even get fined or jailed for possession of firecrackers in some states.

So I, ME, and ONLY ME decided it would be funny to drop a string of BlackCats down the shooting tube just to see the reaction.

So I did.

But since't I was OUTSIDE THE ROOM and back at my desk.... the door wasn't locked.

And the other young kid in class figgered it would be even FUNNIER with the door opened.

And the fuse hung up on the rubber flaps at the mouth of the tube. So the entire string went off at the top of the tube, not down deep in the ground......

And certain folks who felt threatened leapt on an opportunity. Certain SCHOOL folks....administrators and teachers, not classmates. And I learned what the vets were telling me about "you gotta' stop trusting adults!"

I was to be disgracefully and everlastingly EXPELLED from The Shrine....forever and ever

It took about a week of political pondering and pandering but in the end I made my case well enough to stay... and graduate with honors.... but a ghost took me aside and said "the right thing".

He told me "you're right, you're being railroaded, you've won, but I think you need to know that there will be a sacrificial lamb, it's you or XXX"

Well, I had my whole life ahead of me and XXX didn't.

So I bowed out, went to work the next day as a gunsmith in a shop.

And when graduation came around I was offered an "Honorary Degree" at which I scoffed...... I made them offer an absolutely no-strings-attached full on DEGREE with full honors.

And then turned them down.

Antisocial?
Yes

Honor intact?
Yes

Abnormal?
Proudly




I had a whole possum bit worked up, with "well you CAN I guess stick your finger in . . . ." etc etc but Big Al kinda' trumped me on that one so Good On Ya's Big Al The Nyhus..... laffed me guts out

UncleB
10-05-2019, 11:59 AM
Barrel - Pac-Nor 22" 3-groove, 1:12 twist,

This is the part that got me on this thread, when I read this I was.........NO NO anything but that !!!!!!!

Wilbur
10-06-2019, 04:34 PM
Don't ignore what folks are sayin' here.

CCrider
10-21-2019, 01:53 AM
Don’t matter how good the gun is-you have to learn to make excellent ammo and to read the wind. Those are the more difficult task at hand; especially the latter.

alinwa
10-21-2019, 03:20 AM
Don’t matter how good the gun is-you have to learn to make excellent ammo and to read the wind. Those are the more difficult task at hand; especially the latter.

But honestly.... you can't SEE the wind without a good gun..... and a good gun you can just dump powder in up to the neck and drop a bullet in ;)